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lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862662 << yeah, I think I must've still been waking up that morning. my unexamined line of thought at the time was that since it doesn't list in here, there's no need to have it here. Then I remembered there's still use in, e.g. being able to bid, view orders, etc. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 17:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i recently found that lcd panel made by (defunkt) 'pixelqi co', pq3qi-01 , is still sold by chinese ( i have nfi if clones, or old stock ), ~100 $ ea; the thing toggles from 1024x600 colour/backlit into a 3072x600 greyscale reflector thing, worx with various lappies ( sadly not x60, it's a 16:9 )

Mocky: uber in Qatar is cash, much to my surprise. I popped a sim into my second phone, made an uber acct, verifed with a text message, no CC, no identity verification. i was surprised

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote about this on my www in the past, whole concept of 'file system' is consequence of the nonvolatile memory poverty that gave us the orig ram/disk split

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform previous run into this was with the "what's a file's name" ambiguity i axed into "fully specified paths inclued". but that wasn't the problem, that was a random symptom of the fact nobody ever thought about files in unix.

mircea_popescu: most terrifying part being that i can readily review history to the point where this would very much have been exactly the implicit assumption, because fuck tape.

bvt: it seems that 'c strings' in ada are still controlled by ada mechanisms, i.e. they are ada strings (with bounds checking), just with null byte in the end

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 19:15 asciilifeform: bvt: i find it mind-boggling that there is not a standard , portable , machine-wide locking mechanism. but apparently this is so.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1863091 << at present i believe the ~entire file model~ in unix might have been subtly broken since the very beginning, and that breakage has in turn informed the way people think about the fs/os interface so as to not notice it. because it's as you see, a widening breach, what started with atomic creation moved on to permissions, and in general... in a word, it's not directly evident unix ha ☝︎

bvt: i have my own painful experience with them

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1863102 -- well they moved to another file, with tempfile implementation. i guess ave1 knows a total cure ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 19:10 bvt: should set everything up till the end of the week. i didn't rent a rk; but already tested pressing mp-wp locally.

asciilifeform: '...If you want to lock a file in $HOME, forget about it as $HOME might be NFS and locks generally are not reliable there. The same applies to every other file system that might be shared across the network. If the file you want to lock is accessible to more than your own user (i.e. an access mode > 0700), forget about locking, it would allow others to block your application indefinitely. If your program is non-trivial or threaded or

asciilifeform: bvt: i find it mind-boggling that there is not a standard , portable , machine-wide locking mechanism. but apparently this is so. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 14:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862785 << a working 'atomic' create-or-fail-if-exists by definition excludes this scenario. linux claims to offer one, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860739 , but i've nfi yet whether it worx as printed on the crate

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862867 -- i'd bet this is file-system- and linux-version-specific. at least in the NFS case lack of support for some versions is explicitly advertised. ☝︎

bvt: the System/GNAT.OS_Lib find is interesting, i have missed it.

bvt: ave1, can you expand on getting rid of string allocations? I see a way to get rid of it for Mode, but not for the Path argument. i can move its c-string from heap to stack, but that would be it. anyhow, i will revise this aspect. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 03:01 mircea_popescu: bvt "Ada exposes no functions that have 'exclusive open' semantics, so I imported C

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862638 -- i agree that this solution is not that great. however, other alternatives have problems of their own. ☝︎

bvt: that's what I think as well

BingoBoingo: bvt: I think when he made that comment he confused you with the other promising newcomer

bvt: re naming: i agree that it clashes with Ada naming convention. will rename to Temporary_File.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 01:53 phf: oh i guess i see why that would be tricky, because of the specialization. i don't know enough ada yet to know how to fix that... perhaps just renaming it to Temporary_File is sufficient

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 01:42 phf: bvt: your patch has "Binary files..." at the very end of it. i assume it wasn't made with vdiff

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862597 -- good catch, you must be right. i'll check that. ☝︎

bvt: should set everything up till the end of the week. i didn't rent a rk; but already tested pressing mp-wp locally. ☟︎

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862641 -- mircea_popescu, diana_coman, i'm in the process of getting some btc currently, after that will get pizarro shared hosting. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i expect at some point standard usa toilet will switch into reverse gear and disgorge geisers of shit if you miss a payment

asciilifeform: i expect at some point they'll get up an' drive themselves back to vendor if default

asciilifeform: i had nfi that autos-on-credit were a thing in orcistans

mircea_popescu: i dunno it ever had any utility or any userbase in us. 100% "high5" item, "big in pakistan!" sorta thing.

mircea_popescu: i don't know it has any other revenue than these orc donations.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as i know, item exists 100% as orcistan theft, because the local morons will pay the usg corp a chunk of their local income.

asciilifeform: rright but it's a pantsuit production, this thing. i had nfi that they had 'lite' variant for orcs

mircea_popescu: not from what i've seen, still cash payments.

mircea_popescu: ie, usg undergoing exact same process argentina was, back when old whore still thought she can be president whether i say ok or not.

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862995 << And to be clear on this point I am not talking about a lack of artistically inspired one time smoke instruments. I mean they produce joints that are poorly packed, with loose paper, that need substantial babying because they fail to burn consistently (Even when they cheat by bulking up the payload with tobacco to ease rolling).. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 17:21 mircea_popescu: as i say -- the young hussies already are looking for slavery and abjection, in contrast to their stupid mulas and stramulas. from rotherham to anytown, usa, the 15 yo is saying "please, beat, rape and light me on fire -- anything whatsoever but having to talk with my kinmorons."

BingoBoingo: Hey, down here I am watching the Fat Forehead party realize it doesn't have a activist base anymore in real time.

asciilifeform: possibly they do like the wine people ? (i.e. 'x % of grapes from yr n, x % from n-1, ... ' etc )

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine how it'd be consistent then, but anyways.

asciilifeform: i dun recall precisely what, but iirc it came in pill

BingoBoingo: Story time: A kid came to Uruguay from a non-gringo white anglophone country. Regular smoker, he only intended a couple weeks in Uruguay before moving on to explore the rest of the continent. He asked me where to find weed and I told his this is Uruguay, weed will find him when he stops looking for it. 4 days into Uruguay he found pot. Five months later, after having spent nearly 3 months at the same hostel, one and a half with some

asciilifeform: can't say that i follow subj actively; but doesn't pill at least have measurable mass, and you can estimate how much glue and how much $item

asciilifeform: i also wonder if there's a 'chukcha and firewater' effect in play, possibly some folx have weak enzyme

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am going off one fellow's account of why he went full bore on some "Bubba Kush" his hookup had duly warned him about

mircea_popescu: i have no idea. but i mentioned because a) wouldn't have believed the story and b) witnessed with own eyes.

asciilifeform: i dun think this exists in usa, of yet

mircea_popescu: which is what i expect he was asking.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at present. I am too stretched for time at the moment. It is more of a dump information of of my head to consult it later without keeping it in an active workspace portion of the head piece.

mircea_popescu: oh, i'm sure.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao the drug on wars. ok, i was entertain't. << Intentional

mircea_popescu: lmao the drug on wars. ok, i was entertain't.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There have been a number of times in Uruguay where I walked through what could have been "opium den" scenes, except without anyone being in danger of acute respiratory cessation

mircea_popescu: http://bingology.net/2018/10/14/that-one-agricultural-product-and-uruguay/#selection-125.68-125.85 << i've recently seen this, it was something else. "like triple-dose ketamine"'d be the best way to describe it, nevermind "could not walk", subj could not keep eyes open, 6+ hrs.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought trinque was doing that exact thing for the linux machine.

asciilifeform: btw phf , i'm starting to think that esthlos-vtron could be turned into a proper replacement for asdf,quicklisp,all the heathen rubbish packagerisms

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to go back to that thread : i suppose the "portability" discussion is deeply broken in empire (and no, linus, rms and friends aren't "a republic of their own", they're leningrad school and naught else). consider how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862894 drives the dilemma : "if the trouble of maintaining a tree is not justified, why do you think the iron discussed is worth having ? if you think the iron disc ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the puzzler of all time for the average fetlife-grazed chickie, too. "wait... you mean to tell me ~you~ don't really care to talk ~to me~ ?!@?!?! but pantsuited hilarity gave us our rights!!!" sorta "this development goes neatly against everything i've been told to believe."

mircea_popescu: i suppose they do create some obligation, as per ye olde "if you can -- you must", in the sense that much like girl can't imagien why she'd mate with dood who doesn't use soap, i can't imagine why i'd talk to dood who "has ideas" or w/e they call being filthy outside the walls.

asciilifeform: i've used this in embedded boxen

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 11:37 slycordinator: So, to introduce myself, I'm an American living in Korea teaching English and studying data science/machine learning in my free time

asciilifeform: i read'em, 1x/day or so

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 11:30 slycordinator: I thought it was him. I sent a PM earlier but wasn't sure if someone else was also involved.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 10:26 ave1: btw, gnat specific; System.OS_Lib has 'Create_New_File' (it also has a temp file generator, but I cannot recommend, uses digits). bvt's implemention looks the way to go (Although the string allocations to talk to C should be removed)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862793 << i'd rather never have to import c strings anywhere either, i'd say a major goal of the whole effort is to get rid of them. so paranthesis-yes! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: so -- looking back to the crc32 situation, suppose that for whatever reason the consensus wasn't "yeah, should definitely have both" but "division is stupid, only tables are needed". at that juncture, ave1 could have made an alternate patch to the crc32-lookup consisting of merely a changed manifest, saying "Hey, for so and so reasons I think this should be a crc32-division, I intend to do it later."

asciilifeform: just when i think 'no moar shitoshi surprises possible', i turn up yet another.

asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, mod6 et al : loox like trb doesn't remove banned peers from its addr table ! i.e. offers their addrs up to others, as if they were proper noades!! i never noticed this previously, it had to wait to be found empirically. really oughta be fixed, and pretty simple patch. ☟︎☟︎

billymg: trinque: just a heads up, i'll be away from my machine for the next few days but should be able to have stuff put together by friday or early saturday, and will share

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 10:15 mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean : if a process creates/deletes file on a very narrow schedule ; and another checks for file's existence on very narrow schedule, their respective pictures of when they think file exists and doesn't fails to match up.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862785 << a working 'atomic' create-or-fail-if-exists by definition excludes this scenario. linux claims to offer one, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860739 , but i've nfi yet whether it worx as printed on the crate ☝︎☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: haven't found yet a clear answer re what my particular isp's wan frame size is, however. ( and i expect that it will be peculiar to the given isp's gear , and may not apply across the board )

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 09:33 ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862451, I've been reading through the logs and could find no reference of how you did this. Could this be monitored with an FPGA? (there seem to be MAC level FPGA based routers).

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862750 << i ought expand, since ave1 asked : my measurement is indirect, and is possible that could be wrong. what i did was to look for latency variance ( if my optical terminal knew how to send variant frames, shorter packets oughta move faster ) -- but found none, to the resolution of my clock. ☝︎

slycordinator: thanks for the information again. i have to go to bed. it's late here in Korea and I have to be up in the morning to teach

slycordinator: no; i've used gentoo off and on for a while. it would be my first raspberry pi-like box, though

asciilifeform: slycordinator: the only 'driver' is the ehci thing , i rolled it into the example kernel, it'll work with any mass storage item plugged into the jack

slycordinator: shouldn't be difficult then to make the switch once i get everything

slycordinator: but i wasn't sure if the install stuff you had on your site would work for that instead of using a usb stick because of drivers and such

slycordinator: and i was wanting to use a usb3 enclosure to salvage my laptop drive that's got the movies on it, using that for the / partition

slycordinator: So, I haven't purchased one of the devices but I'm considering it as a local NAS for plex.

asciilifeform: slycordinator: yes i'm aware that comment-eater on my www is dead currently

slycordinator: Thanks for the pointer; first I've heard of it. I've used gentoo off-and-on for years. Although with my English teaching, I've mostly had to use windows since most materials shared around have been for MS Office (and the linux alternatives didn't work with the stuff usually)

slycordinator: currently, I've been using an old laptop for the purpose as-needed but I need to replace it with something

slycordinator: And thank you for the info on the alternative for contacting asciilifeform; I'm looking into making a gentoo box for a NAS out of an ARM board he wrote up about

slycordinator: Yes, South Korea. I've been here since February although I lived here a few years ago. My wife is from here and missed her country

slycordinator: Sounds good. I'll come by on occasion; think my wife is annoyed with how much time I spend on the computer already though lol

ave1: If you do, I'll rate you and you can self voice.

ave1: slycordinator, that's very interesting, most people here are in the American Continents and some of us are in Europe (I'm in the Netherlands).

slycordinator: So, to introduce myself, I'm an American living in Korea teaching English and studying data science/machine learning in my free time ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:09 bvt: Hello, I am BT from the recent diana_coman's comments section

slycordinator: I thought it was him. I sent a PM earlier but wasn't sure if someone else was also involved. ☟︎

slycordinator: Is anyone on here in contact with someone who runs loper-os.org? I got directed here from clicking the "contact" link there. On the site, people can't make comments on articles as the captcha software used is out of date

ave1: btw, gnat specific; System.OS_Lib has 'Create_New_File' (it also has a temp file generator, but I cannot recommend, uses digits). bvt's implemention looks the way to go (Although the string allocations to talk to C should be removed) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean : if a process creates/deletes file on a very narrow schedule ; and another checks for file's existence on very narrow schedule, their respective pictures of when they think file exists and doesn't fails to match up. ☟︎

diana_coman: onth I'm not sure I want Create to throw exceptions - I want it to create the file and that's it, I don't care if it exists or not

diana_coman: I used that at the udp tester to create file only if it does not exist

diana_coman: ave1, thanks, confirmed fine, I'll sign and mirror it on my shelf in a minute; (re s.mg lines - not a worry either way really)