asciilifeform: stated that u.s. engineers pissed pants at some of the integrated circuitry found therein

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laugh, but the recently released 'glomar explorer' howard hughes ru. submarine plunder reports...

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: neat. but i was hoping for individual turdlets that i could link to.

asciilifeform: (given that i don't have a proper rant written yet to go with it, above will have to do for now)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the how & why of the whole thing: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845583 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845498 ☝︎

asciilifeform: before even i forget - kakobrekla, mircea_popescu - where's my lenat turd mirror ?

asciilifeform: good eyes - accurate.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: ^ that thing of beauty - was discussed here in the past...

asciilifeform: !s lurkmore

asciilifeform: if you get the same old crater - perhaps he lives elsewhere

asciilifeform likes to suggest pondering theological implications of a glassed middle east

asciilifeform: or is it that other folks won't go to a 'goy' lawyer ?

asciilifeform: lol, lawyers have ethnic mafia there ?

asciilifeform: (he appears to know how)

asciilifeform: or let him explain how to recreate the lifestyle of a mongol hordesman in modern times

asciilifeform: we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.'

asciilifeform: herr l. is near the top of my list of rich'n'famous folks i'd personally enjoy seeing in here.

asciilifeform: (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa)

asciilifeform: what you call 'forcemeat' we called 'doctor's sausage' for some reason.

asciilifeform: reality - drive cab, or collect 'welfare'

asciilifeform: decimation: folks from soviet blok were lured with imaginary 'nice' jobs, the proverbial fifty types of sausage, posh cars, etc.

asciilifeform: decimation: engineered 'brain drain' was a weapon in use at the time

asciilifeform: decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone'

asciilifeform: no. he was a russian/jewish emigre in '70s

asciilifeform: puerto rico is one such group today

asciilifeform: one such

asciilifeform: limonov - was in such a group.

asciilifeform: if you are not part of one of these groups - you will not be in the running for any handouts in usa.

asciilifeform: decimation: approximately - food stamps are given to groups, rather than people. not formally, of course - but in practice.

asciilifeform: a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car

asciilifeform: as did limonov.

asciilifeform: and then there is the undocumented talmud used by usg bureaucrats to determine who qualifies for lifetime pensions.

asciilifeform: i have often direly envied the man his schizophrenia - or acting skills, as the case may be.

asciilifeform: so we do not actually know how much he is truly batshit, and how much - is just playing the necessary role.

asciilifeform: in his case

asciilifeform: which required a certification of insanity

asciilifeform: by his own admission - he was rescued from labouring as a programmer by 'disability' pension from usg.

asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work! ☟︎

asciilifeform: (discussed here, for example - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=603856 )

asciilifeform: 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.' ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay: ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: to understand what is 'understandability' - look at its opposite.

asciilifeform: never needed this sugar

asciilifeform: that aspect - never appealed to me

asciilifeform: but this is neither here nor there.

asciilifeform: the abominable 'english-like' scripting language lured various people who thought they could never stomach programming into trying

asciilifeform: again, unrelated.

asciilifeform: the totality thereof.

asciilifeform: decimation: the reason - understandability.

asciilifeform: (i haven't any for it. i actually associate the environment it ran on with school, which was a misery)

asciilifeform: or that. nostalgia.

asciilifeform: generally, they like it 'because pretty ux buttons'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: virtually none of my readers showed any signs of liking it for the same reason i did.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HEqagVO9g << possibly interesting to you

asciilifeform: decimation: this is discussed on my site.

asciilifeform: even the gate libraries used by extant semiconductor fab houses would have to be thrown.

asciilifeform: likewise, for dataflow cpu fabric (the only truly reasonable way to build a computer) - existing logic synthesis methods are unsuitable.

asciilifeform: i've argued in the past that you have to ditch... binary. if you want to be rid of the 'floating point' abomination. ☟︎

asciilifeform: etc

asciilifeform: bus topology

asciilifeform: you'd have to come up with your own... dram

asciilifeform: forget even this

asciilifeform: divide the r&d and production cost by that figure. that's how much each unit would have to cost to... break even.

asciilifeform: there would be a market for about six machines.

asciilifeform: if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware -

asciilifeform: the reason is entirely mundane

asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake.

asciilifeform: then - the sheer quantity of logic necessary.

asciilifeform: and it would be far more expensive today!

asciilifeform: the other interesting observation is that lm in 1980s was expensive for far different reason than it would be today

asciilifeform: go and try market a scanning electron microscope for consumer market.

asciilifeform: because it was not selling a plebe product.

asciilifeform: symbolics - did

asciilifeform: intel did not instrinsically - by its very nature - rely on rich prince

asciilifeform: 'artist picked the wrong medici'

asciilifeform: (withdrawal of the infinite usg money it relied on - directly, and indirectly - through the major clients being usg ops)

asciilifeform: while ignoring the bullet hole in its head

asciilifeform: it is hilarious to read about all of the various nicks, bruises, paper cuts found on the corpse of symbolics corp.

asciilifeform: toyota may in some sense with it could 'pave over' bentley, but reality does not care about this

asciilifeform: just as 'bentley' does not compete with 'toyota'

asciilifeform: existed in entirely separate universe

asciilifeform: it made no attempt to compete with, e.g., ibm anything

asciilifeform: decimation: it is important to understand that lm was a specialist instrument - like the most elaborate electron microscope.

asciilifeform: then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated.

asciilifeform: swordsman can trip on banana peel

asciilifeform: could.

asciilifeform: and if you really wish to know which 'swordsman' is more comfortable with his tool - let god of war decide.

asciilifeform: subjective only in the sense that people vary in size

asciilifeform: like the difference between a shirt that fits and one which does not

asciilifeform: when we are talking about a sword that a man can swing - or a computer system that 'fits' inside a single brain comfortably - this is a fundamental difference.

asciilifeform: ^ that is the kind of thing i mean by -understandable-.

asciilifeform: entire universe of a difference.

asciilifeform: then - somebody comes up with metallurgy, creates sword that one man can comfortably swing.

asciilifeform: even the best swings would be from among a very small set of simple strokes.

asciilifeform: or squadron could contain enemy wrecker, imperceptibly and unprovably spoiling a swing