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mod6: I agree
there
too. When you sign a vpatch, you're saying, "I, have read (or wrote)
this, and I place my seal upon it as it is correct and right." Not, "mod6 wrote
this
thing, I rate him a '+1 Cool Guy' for effort."
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576727 << no, actually it isn't.
the signed V element is actually a deed ; it gets maintained by an alternative mechanism
than
the deeds because we're still working with all
this shit and
trying
to figure it out. but fundamentally, it is a deed not a rating.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: and of course
there's
the case of pirate, which hanbot actually analysed at length on
the forum years ago, in retort
to some idiot going "o see,
the wot doesn't work, pirate had high rating"
mod6: especially when my
transcation happened before his other "scammy" dealings
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's
the case of aethero, perhaps
the best illustration of
this. guy had a
top 10 rating by any abstract measurement, lots of ratings from many people.
mod6: should I be hung up by my heels for
that?
mod6: it's even happened
to me. i rated a guy with positive rating, he didn't scam me at all. but he apparently scammed some other people.
mircea_popescu: i
think actually he was perfectly satisfied with what we arrived at.
☟︎ mod6: i get
trinque's worry;
that he'll wake up and find his wallet emptied out; and he wants a pill against
that.
the preposed solution is fine for
that. but signed ratings is not
the answer imho.
mircea_popescu: and ironically i can give a negative evaluation in spite of my positive rating - other lady friend asks me about having kids with
the guy - i'll
tell her about daugther ; and if
the daughter's not a
total futz, if her drinking friend asks about dad he'll get a + notwithstanding he's an asshole. or maybe won't, depending on how much of an asshole he is generally. but
there's
the ambiguity.
mod6: this reminds me of
this line in your unicode paper.
mircea_popescu: the wot isn't a computable graph. i mean it's drawable, obviously, and
the drawing's not futile, but just because
the machine can draw it dun mean
the machine grasps it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not only
that, but
there's a lot of flexibility required in actual human intercourse. "x is a great drunk and a miserable father, so has - from daughter and + from me. i'm friends with
the daughter and we fuck occasionally. problem ?"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:57
trinque: if my dead grandfather hated someone, I would most certainly care about
that given
that he was a man I respected.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and herein included - all my ratings. you can not at some point come and say "X scammed me of a btc and you had him rated +1
therefore you owe me some cents" << while reading,
this is what I was
thinking
too. We've seen many
times where someone reputable has a positive rating for X, and
then later X scams out.
These ratings can't act as a guarantee; which would place
the rater in some leg
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:46 asciilifeform: phf: if pubkey is preserved, and privkey of dead man -- well-destroyed, suddenly
the 'donation of constantine' problem evaporates.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576690 <<
too many ifs ; and for
that matter
the problem of "what
to do with
the intestate" is unsolvable in
the general sense.
the best approach is for
the man
to write a fucking
testament already.
there's deedbot for
this purpose, it is wrong
to you know, have an ethereum-powered mechanism
to decide FOR gauss what of
the coffin liners should be rescued.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: and we can have nice
things such as fixed
time keygen, such as "key generation
takes 24 hours - come back
tomorrow".
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on
this btw,
the way i want
tmsr-rsa key generation
to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in
tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever
tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
mircea_popescu: one particular angle would be
that if we generate republic-rsa keys (see
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 eg) as opposed
to koch-rsa keys
then yes eulora server will have
to dump its privately maintained wot
to deedbot periodically ; but on
the upside we get very cheap
transition
to
the new format while maintaining all
the backwards compatibility one could want.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: basically
this will include a (hopefully improved) rsa implementation as part of
the client.
the details still very much in air.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:35 danielpbarron: so i assumed people would still have
to resister
their actual key with
the bot prior
to getting
their eulora account
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576658 <<
the way i intend
THAT
to work is
that client connects
to server, by sending encrypted magic packet which includes its fp ; if server has
that fp it sends challenge string and logs in
the player ; if server has not
that fp it sends challenge string and proceeds ot character creation. nice and streamlined.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: you will have
to have ~a~ key online as a matter of course for
the client
to connect ; but it doesn't have
to be
THE key in any sense.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:31 phf:
that was
the conclusion of
the
thread last
time we had
this conversation, yes
phf: i checked b-a log because somebody mentioned activity, a few weeks ago and it's literally
the same conversation. i remember he
tried directly intervening, "warning" cockli guy i
think, and cockli's reaction was "you seem like a crazy dude with an agenda", but i guess a strategy of "mpex is long gong and nobody heard from mp" probably works better
ben_vulpes: consider plugging mimisbrunnr into
tslb?
scriba: n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 7 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 8 a b c d e f g h i j k l
scriba: Logged on 2016-12-03: [01:54:50] <phf> ACTION 0 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 1 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 2 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 3 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 4 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 5 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 6 a b c d e f g h i j k l m
phf: asciilifeform: actually is
the last letter in
that pattern l or m?
phf 0 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 1 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 2 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 3 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 4 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 5 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 6 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 7 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
t u v w x y z 8 a b c d e f g h i j k l
ben_vulpes: rewriting
things is my fave. giant pile of ones own poop
to shovel, and at
the end of
the day nothing should have changed as far as non codemonkeys can
tell.
phf: in case of znc you get
the wonky ^ACTION ... lines
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 08:17 Framedragger: aha, i wonder if
the sending irc client encoded msg in some strange charset, and ACTION was *not*
technically
the first set of characters in
that message, from point of view of znc.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549612 << so normal action is ^AACTION ... ^A,
turns
that when
the line is
too long it gets cut off (which is normal behavior) but in case of action none of client seem
to do
the regular split, meanwhile
the irc server cutsoff
terminating ^A, which breaks most parsers (including mine)
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:17
trinque:
the fact is preserved
that he who had
this key said X
BingoBoingo: From
the local police blotter: "Five juveniles, a 9-year-old boy, a 10-year-old boy,
two 11-year-old boys, and a 10-year-old girl, all of Highland, were charged with destroying property for allegedly breaking light bulbs on Christmas displays belonging
to
the city"
mircea_popescu: oh it's for
them. i
thought
they had one for
the luser lol. aaanyway, "The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances" << epic shit; i hope
this spreads.
mircea_popescu: lol at beating danielpbarron gets in logs. dat
trinque dude packs some punch does he.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:05
trinque: I am still waiting
to hear why I shouldn't just rely on freenode's auth system
to process ratings
mircea_popescu: no, i actually searched for "turbulent flow" as opposed
to "turbulence"
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 19:04 asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange
ticket,
took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain
turbulence."
Theodore von Kármán spent
the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
mircea_popescu: o look phf, i can't link
to
the story of
turbulent flow BECAUSE ITS NOT IN YOUR LOGS!11
mircea_popescu: ie, it's fully a liberal profession. (in some readings, a liberal profession is one where
the sufficiently skilled practitioner eventually meets god.)
mircea_popescu: something like
that. it's a little complicated, because
there is some
transcendence even in
trade.
mircea_popescu: in any case - merchants, always of
the strict practical persuasion, have no use for
them ; and most of
the "history" ie, retellings
they produce is speculative.
mircea_popescu: the problem of interpreting structures of meaning without survivors is not
trivial. which is why i said inept historian -
the monumental
tasks more often attract
the idiots who don't comprehend scale
than actually
talented people who can
take bites of reality
the size of
the moon.
hanbot: lol. depends what fashion mavens, if any, one listens
to.
mircea_popescu: so were bellbottoms
the suck, or demonstrably awesome but hit by suck ray ?
trinque: but,
the value of his past statements does not mean
they are necessarily part of "the wot"
hanbot: mircea_popescu depends on what exactly you mean by "read". it's not
the case
that i can't extract any value from
them. it's certainly
the case i wouldn't wager i wholly comprehend. and whatever's in between i'm not sure i'd call "meaningless"
hanbot: "this guy sucks" vs "this guy was demonstrably awesome and got hit by
the suckray"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 22:26 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576486 <<
this is ~rank nonsense.
the closest approximation is
the west, where women were
traded for
tobacco, or every other colonisation event. where, each and every
time, women started as merchandise.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform
the ratings of dead people are meaningless in
the marketplace ; and only interesting
to
the inept historian. << i have a hard
time agreeing with
this; even should death prevent a rating reflective of
the current state of
things, a past rating from a ghost could still be "meaningful" in its distance from w/e
the current status -is-, no?
mircea_popescu: aid business WITH
the keys.
the manner of conducting business is left
to
the faculty of
the merchant ; at issue is
the reference point of said business.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:01 asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu wrote
the piece where 'sex -- with people, business -- with keys' - what does danielpbarron suppose he meant ?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576558 << well as it
turns out, ratings are a lot closer
to sexual intercourse
than previously realised ; but in any sense what i meant was
the point of reference (ie, i will fuck
this curvaceous lady as
the body presents itself and do business with fa9fblabla, which are
the
two presentations of
the supposed same but otherwise uncapturable spirit). i didn't mean business BY
the keys when i s
☝︎ trinque: asciilifeform: if one wanted
to make a statement for all
time about a key,
there's always a deed.
mircea_popescu: "this account is authorised
to draft up
to 3
times sums up
to 1 btc
through direct command" and have people send you a signed
thing
to bump it.
mircea_popescu: trinque you can even have a system of "orders over X value or nth in a day have
to be clearsigned" and have
the user set X and n ?
trinque: perhaps a man can sign his own wot
time
to
time
mircea_popescu: trinque
that's
the consideration here. if you have
the signatures, evidently people can
trust you with larger sums, but how much larger i can not say ; but evidently you will need
the management in place
to be able
to produce
the materials on challenge.