asciilifeform: trinque: i was never able to build it under orginary glibc either.

asciilifeform: prospecting ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, in the new trilema header photo, is that geiger counter in left hand ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would like to see the hairball dissolve, with other hairballs, yes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunned to 'rewrite x', e.g. phf has perfectly working framebuffer-only box nao

asciilifeform: if there were a pair of free hands -- would be great proj, remove gtkism from ye olde ff

asciilifeform: i dunget why it can't simply live in framebuffer (fughet even x)

asciilifeform: ( for 'back' button ?!! )

asciilifeform: tbf i have utterly nfi why thing even needs gtk at all

asciilifeform: ( gtk3 is on asciilifeform's published gentoo-banhammer roster )

asciilifeform: right, is where mine stopped

asciilifeform: it dun make even the most elementary cut.

asciilifeform: ( not even talking of hygiene, but of simple 'can build?' )

asciilifeform: it dun build even on ordinary gentoo, last i knew

asciilifeform tried over yrs and repeatedly failed with 'chrome'

asciilifeform: afaik none else is known to be buildable from sores at all

asciilifeform: prolly will end up the de-facto graphic browser

asciilifeform: oh neato

asciilifeform: btw afaik binariola ff won't run on musltronic linuxen, it (unsurprise) demands dyn libcism

asciilifeform: i would say 'let's' but not equipped to say what was 'last good sores', near as i can tell the thing has sucked for as long as existed

asciilifeform: i dun recall whether trinque froze the sores of that thing

asciilifeform: a

asciilifeform: ( they aint got vtronics, so nfi what if anyffing their sig ~means~ )

asciilifeform: yea lol even linus, rms et al, etc. have ceremonial sigs.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly the proggy ~itself~ is likethat nao. 'special ed'. nfi why you'd want recent ver.

asciilifeform: aah y'mean the 'we know your os, and of course it's winblowz, here have a .exe' thing ?

asciilifeform presently using 1 built from sores aeons ago..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which inanity ?

asciilifeform: phf et al ^

asciilifeform: in older lulz, 1d 18h left on the https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-MacIvory-model-3-8-MW-in-an-Apple-Quadra-650-80-MB-9-GB-Genera-8-3/113428507092 auction; i'ma bid, and if can get for under 5 , will have the thing xray tomographied ( sadly i have a quite finite budget presently for the proj ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/UopiX >> 'GNU inetutils <= 1.9.4 telnet.c multiple overflows'

asciilifeform was obsessed with the item as a boy, and went and... built. but unsurprisingly was unable to come up with the kilowatt spark gap horror that'd actually make circuit close even 1ce

asciilifeform: ( semiconducts and then shorts and welds solid at the juncture! hence the early radiotelegraph's little hammer that whacked the tube each time it went conductive )

asciilifeform: consider early age of radio, with 'coherer' -- tube of iron filings , nobody had any idea how worked until 1980s (!) when somebody bothered to look and found that yes feo2 semiconducts

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879874 << multers no , rectifiers -- yes ( diode was ~the~ mega-discovery, rather than transistor as commonly thought -- the latter is small variation on the former ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( per old thread formulation , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 + http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933192 ) ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: ( which is why icbm complex is just as essential 'petro tech' as the drill ! )

asciilifeform: re: petrowank : asciilifeform also not expert, but last i recall arabs were 'peaked' while ru ramping for 50+y and onwards; hence the pantsuit's perennial interest in picking up last reich's torch and 'spreading demoocracy' there

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik beekeeping is closest thing we've got to 'ant automation'

asciilifeform: picture if didn't suck.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for good chunk of later 1800s folx were using 'accidental' semiconductor ( ever built 'crystal radio' ? ) , but it sucked

asciilifeform: ( a la wootz -- i.e. 'we have nfi how this worx but here it is' )

asciilifeform: could've had transistor in 1700s-level, conceivably

asciilifeform pictures an alt-planet where http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 scenario but with ~semiconducting~ doped volcanic sands... ☝︎

asciilifeform: but yes will be interesting to walk in.

asciilifeform: i bet it's same sound as the particulate from the omnipresent powdered car windshields over here lol

asciilifeform: ( does mircea_popescu have pic ? i've never seen volcanic sand close up )

asciilifeform: and does the sand there look exactly like the ordinary ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orig thread was re beach sand, nitpick strictly there

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obsidian exactly glass

asciilifeform: 1000+yrs of уравниловка (btw how do we say that in ro? i'd like to know) dun wear off so quickly.

asciilifeform: ( and not simply peasants, but serfs, i.e. land gets mortmain'd by master, so no accum )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879840 << i suspect that it prolly unpacks ok if seen through lens of 'wooden civ' peasant, where 'errybody is roughly same, working same shit soil, so oughta have ~same harvest' ☝︎

asciilifeform: pretty hard to get a good cutting edge from plain sio2 ( try it some time ). with glass ( i.e. with na as well as si & o ) you get the requisite shear. so cuts.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta nitpick : quartz ( plain old sio2 ) != obsidian. in the latter, the volcanic ash dun simply colour it black, but gives crystal lattice a shear plane ( so you get that delish cutting edge the stone age folx like )

asciilifeform bbl forrealz

asciilifeform: and also hate 'flying' exponents that make simple expression stand 40fuckingrows tall

asciilifeform: phf: i fucking hate ------------'s

asciilifeform bbl,teatime

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths3.html for thread-completeness.

asciilifeform: it does

asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: yea idea

asciilifeform: unless 1 of the experts chimes in today with unexpected pill.

asciilifeform: that's what it'll be then.

asciilifeform: ( still sad parens, but imho less outlandishly eye-bleeding than the mega-font variant ; lynx-friendly 'floor' )

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths2.html

asciilifeform: will post for the laughter and derision of audience shortly

asciilifeform: there's various ways, of varying degree of ugly, currently shitting out a hybrid variant

asciilifeform: some yes

asciilifeform: the parens, floor, should simply be ~tall~.

asciilifeform: i dun want'em ~wide~

asciilifeform: that ain't height-only!

asciilifeform: only items like a - b etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fortunately i dun have any complex subexpressions in exponents anywhere in ffa notebook.

asciilifeform: ( if there existed a 'height' attribute for font, it would entirely solve. but i have not turned up any such thing existing. )

asciilifeform: was thinking it might be possible to somehow get this with ch14.

asciilifeform: the annoying bit is that in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2238 i was able to make html do a very close approx to the customary formatting.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually started with that. and tempted to return to it.

asciilifeform: ( used 'longstroke' uniturd, which incidentally lynx Does Right Thing with and turns into multiple short - )

asciilifeform: ~those~ , oddly enuff, i had 0prob with

asciilifeform: 'but hey we have smiling turd glyphs nao!'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a 'mathsml' thing, but seems to require js, browsers briefly had and then dropped support

asciilifeform: i'd like to show that moderately maffs-heavy bl0gps0t is possible without bitmapism, possibly bridge too far

asciilifeform: which are imho sadder

asciilifeform: otherwise prolly would've thrown in the towel and gone to bitmapped latex outputs

asciilifeform: i was going for 'keeps being readable in lynx like the prev chapters'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879722 variant actually displays in terminal ( sans the 'floor' ), try it ☝︎

asciilifeform: as for the parens, floor, etc, ugh, i dun want'em wide, i want'em ~tall~

asciilifeform: try it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it turns to rubbish in 'lynx'

asciilifeform: came up entirely empty when looked for how to make the parens appropriate height tho.

asciilifeform: i considered to use ansi drawing chars for the floor, that'd prolly do it

asciilifeform: i'm not in terrible hurry

asciilifeform: aite, a++++

asciilifeform: or, hrm, still loses the floor()

asciilifeform: ( whereas http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths.html actually displays in, e.g., lynx, just fine )

asciilifeform: considered svg. but text-based browsers afaik dun eat it.

asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , bvt , any serious wwwists in audience, plox to chime in ^

asciilifeform: ( before suggest 'mathml' -- asciilifeform dun have a browser which displays it, and suspects that nobody here does either )