log☇︎
238200+ entries in 0.153s
mircea_popescu: and now, on the thread of this analytic approach, i may present the theory that the problem aren't the idiot consumers, but very specific opression of the english sort upstream.
asciilifeform: kreinin's piece is imho quite relevant, it is about the consequences of the ~wrong things being cheap~. and i cannot help but wonder if gutenberg did the same thing to the written word
mircea_popescu: this very neatly mirrors the pub, drunks observation, and for very much the same reason. the driver's the same oppressive attitude upstream.
mircea_popescu: (vaguely related, mp's grandmother once recounted the observation of one of her highschool classmates, who pointed out that they (the girls in school) should be more respectful of the prostitutes, because if it weren't for them (the prostitutes) none of them (the girls, in school) would be (girls, in school)."
mircea_popescu: i mean i've been toying with it in pieces such as "what's the tmsr gdp", which is very much exactly the same thing as discussion here, but anwyay.
asciilifeform: you get the cost of mircea_popescu's dinner. as per the thread. where 'idiot rube cannot buy mircea_popescu's dinner, prepared by enthusiastic harem, for any moneys'
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking large problem i'll tell you that.
mircea_popescu has been on a "pricing in tech" mental kick for the past half hour, so i was looking at that angle.
mircea_popescu: importantly, one that can't be factored with the other one.
asciilifeform: which is why i said 'martian tech we'd like to know about.' so, if mircea_popescu knows how to 'undo vlsi' and mass-manufacture individual transistors again, instead of cpu, and put'em together how he likes ~later~, and have result resemble pentium more than univac -- then, for instance, yes, cultural form
mircea_popescu: "the place where you drink" or "the public house" aka "brothel", ie, the place where disorderly (as per anglican/puritan definitions of order) is tolerated, ie, a tolerance house ?
mircea_popescu: so : if you change the convention, your objects become undefined. what's "a processor" ?
mircea_popescu: the removal of drunks doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with "pubs" and also "a drunk" is not the same drunk.
asciilifeform: ^ the charitable interpretation might be that some of its operating costs are externalized
mircea_popescu: in the russian world, where drunks do exist, but the drinking place (which is NOT a pub, even if translated as such because what you gonna do) is supported by a social conventionthat has nothing to do with drunkedness
mircea_popescu: in the english world, where drunks and pubs exist, and the observation re pubs existing because drunks, not because sunday drinkers holds, there are a number of objects defined, such as the fact that a pub is really a public house (which is relevant if for instance you wonder why it should need or want a permit to exist).
mircea_popescu: let's work on the drunk dudes in pub construction.
mircea_popescu: if you change the culture, none of your symbols in there are meaningful anymore.
asciilifeform: i disagree. if you remove the lolcat users, you get 10,000x unit cost. unless you have martian tech we'd all like to know about.
mircea_popescu: it could be cpu costs a dime or a testicle, the issue of price is ulterior in this discussion, makes about as much sense as "the utilty of the sun"
asciilifeform: 'better culture' does not even have to be 'cpu costs as boeing'. can be, e.g., 'cpu costs as cessna'
mircea_popescu: and this is broadly the point - to transition to better culture.
mircea_popescu: not so. it couldn't exist IN THAT STUPID CULTURE. but in better culture, kvas.
asciilifeform: re konsoomer, dan mocsny had analogy involving a pub, where the 'normal' folx mock the drunks, without realizing that the pub could not exist in anything like its present form without their open wallets
asciilifeform: and as for asciilifeform , he had moar phun on sov 'mk-61' programmable calc, with ~100 bytes of volatile memory, than on pretty much anything since.
mircea_popescu: myeah. oldest programming language too.
asciilifeform: i'll point out that konrad zuse built a very acceptable comp out of junk discarded by nazi germany, in mother's kitchen.
asciilifeform: oh that part is screamingly obvious
mircea_popescu: nor is it clear that without the konsoomer the field would be asciilifeform-accessible anymore than hillary's hairy snatch or the satellite launching programme.
asciilifeform: the 'konsoomer' wrecked the entire field, and it is not clear to asciilifeform that it can be unwrecked with current tech.
mircea_popescu: the probnlem of pricing in technology is indeed large.
mircea_popescu: you skipped the good part, which is : "If you are indeed a chip maker, this is when you find out why fabless chip companies are worth so much more than the equally fabless vendors of "IPs" such as CPUs and DRAM controllers.".
asciilifeform: d of a level 2 cache which never actually cached anything, and this fact happily went unnoticed for a few months. '
asciilifeform: 'A chip can have 2 processors with 8-byte buses each, going to a DRAM giving you 16 bytes per cycle, through a shared 8-byte-per-cycle bottleneck. This interconnect is the handiwork of some time-starved dude on the chip maker's team, armed with an interconnect-generating tool. Even such an idiotic issue will manifest on some benchmarks but not others, and might not get caught at design time. And if you think that is stupid, I've hear
asciilifeform: probably the board, or the boot code programming DRAM-related components in a way that doesn't work on this board.'
asciilifeform: '$100 says your DRAM chip works. The DRAM chip is a mindless slave implementing precise commands by the DRAM controller on the master chip, without any feedback - there are no retries, no negotiation, no way to say you're sorry. And no software will run properly on faulty DRAM. Faulty DRAM isn't a marketable product. Your board is definitely buggy. They told you they checked signal integrity, but they lied. If DRAM malfunctions, it's
mircea_popescu: and btw, today was an epic log day. everyone's in great form apparently. monday people.
mircea_popescu: (or in other words - the notion that unicode invented shitsoup is nonsense ; we had idiots before we had water pistol glyphs)
mircea_popescu: fwiw, while ' may be valid, trilema's title-to-url parser helpfully nukes it.
phf: i believe that was around the time i started reading asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: anyway at some point drop the link to the actual yosefk article you wanted to reference asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: i think at some point you signed up for pain.
phf: erc also parses the url incorrectly, but ' is a valid character in url..
asciilifeform: btw the 'array of fpgas' thing is getting made, as soon as i'm satisfied that lattice 'ice' is ~actually~ reversed. and not simply 'kicad'-ed.
mircea_popescu: phf check out how that breaks ^
mircea_popescu: except she won't be learning any new tricks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a matter of "won't run". your gf runs in the bedroom just as well as woman runs in gangbang party.
mircea_popescu: this isn't one of those "X is better".
mircea_popescu: yes but the bitch is you can't actually know.
asciilifeform: 'collectivist' cad that won't run on airgapped box or in martian death capsule, is a lol.
phf: also depends if we're still putting out massive interdependent designs, as opposed to some modular architectures like greenarrays or scheme81 or
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: ie, how much and what kind of violonist is involved in the hardware making of future.
mircea_popescu: i think this is a pretty open question.
asciilifeform: see, there is considerable 'violinist' work involved.
asciilifeform: and besides wtf you route them in SECTIONS
mircea_popescu: (recall your "array of fpgas" thing ?)
mircea_popescu: anyway. management considers the solution available no sort of solution.
asciilifeform: right now it gets solved to my satisfaction on a modest pc box.
asciilifeform: or rather, cow-sized amoeba turd
asciilifeform: if i wanted this kind of 'program', i'd buy a cow
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, the conceptual item solves two major open questions here in tmsr forum : a) "why is this proggy 100mb ?!?" "because it has 100mn datapoints in the ai massager, let it be" ; b) "why does this proggy want to call home ?" "because whenever you accept a design and put it in production, all other installations want to review the datapoint, it's valuable."
asciilifeform: ('deepblue scan' does not mean 'human committee played'... means that the playing was done the same way as asciilifeform does pcb autorouting.)
asciilifeform: *when they asked
asciilifeform: other pro players have been indefinitely delaywanked when asked to play afaik.
asciilifeform: INCIDENTALLY afaik the thing ~WAS~ a 'deepblue' scam
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: google (or rather, the firm it bought) had 0 original ai. it was 1990s-era techniques, they simply licensed the code and threw iron at it
asciilifeform: so i have nfi, perhaps the published designs were made with megatonnes of compensatory undergrad sweat...
asciilifeform: phf: i put in the sweat, actually learned to use geda, it is imho an acceptable design, and i found plenty of complicated items purportedly having been designed with it, but it is BROKEN, the autorouter blew open polygons
mircea_popescu: fror bonus points - steal google's go playing ai and modify it. the problem of routing is grid-discretizable.
mircea_popescu: anyway - certainly a very valid place for any spinoza in attendance to apply his next years.
mircea_popescu: so you know, "autorouting" is "a small matter" and "a solved problem" except in reality it's exactly something to be solved via "artificial intelligence" as understood today, ie, mega-matrix of mostly 0 parameter running a markov process.
phf: asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ation of you know... all the "Solved problems" that aren't.
mircea_popescu: because that's a key ingredient of "i just want to" - deciding various arbitrary bits (especially ones the jwz doesn't well understand) are "small matter". which decision then drives poor resource allocation and is the deep reason for the festering morass of unsolved problems that should have been ; while tons of herbivores run around "revolutionizing" things that needn't on the shaky in reality but strong in perception found
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
asciilifeform: and for the motherfucking gui to NOT REDRAW CORRECTLY ON LINUX unless PRESS REFRESH KEY!
asciilifeform: and for the outputs to be unsynchronized.
asciilifeform: who decided that it is somehow acceptable for schematic entry and pcb layout to be separated programs
asciilifeform: kikad is developed by, i decided, malicious tards
asciilifeform: power tool
asciilifeform: it is meant to be a tool in the hands of a man, is not a man-replacing robotic thing
mircea_popescu: just, gotta put work in, and nobody wants to.
asciilifeform: it is trash in the sense that it is physically impossible to autorout 100% of board
phf: same, though i was told by experienced cad people "autorouting is trash" early on, but soon discovered that they mean "for the purposes of my giant multiboard layout" not "everything that you'll be touching for the next 10 years of your learning"
asciilifeform: fucktards, for all of the man-hours on gui idiocy, SOMEONE could have implemented sane autorout?!
asciilifeform: phf: i tried 'kikad', geda, etc. NONE OF THESE AUTOROUT FOR MOTHERCFUCKSSSAKE
asciilifeform: iirc it itself was a holding co. and bought the proggy elsewhere.
phf: (cadsoft used to make EAGLE, which is sort of a goto cad tool for people on linux)
asciilifeform: cadsoft was a tiny german thing
mircea_popescu: i can't even recall who was in cadsoft prior to sale. ☟︎
asciilifeform: in fact, we had thread a while back re: how certain industrial equipment is now also 'subscription-only', has satellite dish and gets fresh firmware from mothership each day etc.
asciilifeform: just happened to ship a linux binary, was all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cadsoft was a 1990s-style traditional software co., nothing open about it
mircea_popescu: (and no - there are no whore exceptions. anyone involved in "open source" etc is a whore.)
asciilifeform: (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)
asciilifeform: e.g., they bought (probably to annihilate) cadsoft, the maker of the ONE usable electronic cad proggy for linux
mircea_popescu: ie, autodesk is about to go bankrupt.
asciilifeform: way from selling perpetual rights to use a specific version of software, Autodesk will continually innovate and improve products and supporting services that customers subscribe to, allowing access from multiple devices at any time, making them easier to deploy and manage, and reducing file compatibility issues.' ( http://damassets.autodesk.net/content/dam/autodesk/www/campaigns/mfg-perpetual/end-of-perpetual-customer-faqs.pdf )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, very far away, 'Autodesk will stop the sale of perpetual licences of all its software on January 31st, 2017. The purchase of new licences by both new and existing customers will only be available by subscription after that date. ... Why is Autodesk transitioning to subscription licences? Subscription licences offer customers a lower entry price, greater choice of tools and the ability to pay-as-you-go. With its shift a ☟︎