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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly a bitch
to insure with
the Giant concrete
tanks being attractive nuissance and all. Also demo cost
to other buyers would likely suck
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 17:54
trinque: mosis.com was
the one I found somebody
talking about getting a run done for a few k
mircea_popescu: (no, it's not just hussein bahamas.
the whole
thing is predicated on suckage, exactly
the same ~sort~ of suckage.)
mircea_popescu: and
then end up surprised by
the nobody could have predicted and write nobel-prize literature about it.
mircea_popescu: even non-idiots spend relatively little
time figuring out "improductive"
things of
this sort.
mircea_popescu: still,
the effects are often funny - you can get most 15 yos
to agree
that
they'll "never
turn out like
their mothers" or "die before
they're old" or such manifestations of
the subjective sentiment of bridging.
mircea_popescu: to some degree "society" needs
them
to for its definition of
them
to be fulfilled ;
to a larger degree
the currently fashionable notions of self require
them
to as well. but anyway - people will lvie everywhere, and historically have.
mircea_popescu: just,
this knowledge of
the cunt is amply repressed in most cases.
mircea_popescu: this is not
the matter. most girls understand, somewhere deep down,
that if i come in and grab
them by
the hair and drag
them
to
their cell
they will at
the very least love
the child
they conceive, and eventually learn
to live
the cell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. but
the fact is
that most ww2 combatants did not fight at home ; or in
their neighbourhood ; or even city. except perhaps it could be argued for
the fins.
mircea_popescu: in short, your at ease notion of you and
the actual perceptible, historical fact of you are very
tenuously bridged, and
that bridge is especially dependent on
the "at ease" part.
mircea_popescu: ~everyone involved in ww2
thought ww2 is a stupid idea, for
that matter. all
the better for
them!
mircea_popescu: what, you
think people fought in us civil war without
their scruples ?
the body went ;
the scruples - nobody asked anything.
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't even mean
that it's inevitable with you or without you. it's inevitable with or without your mental constructs.
the body will follow.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:55 phf: not sure how reversion follows
though. it's easy
to run away into
the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into
tradition is equivalent
to death (per older
thread). "destruction of known universe"
mircea_popescu: old people are notoriously bad at
this, go
through
the world a living zoological museum, collection of numerous fungi and no copulation.
mircea_popescu: usually, it doesn't work. it is certainly a
thinking man's coming of age, when he finally develops a skin :
that keeps
this sort of bacteria at bay, and
that still allows copulation with
the other humans.
mircea_popescu: these dudes
tried
to "leverage" whatever
they could
think of
to "achieve network effects" and bla bla.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:17 mircea_popescu: anyway,
the way "tech" works in
the us aka sv is very simply : get
the "hipster ass rorbros" on
the wagon,
then sell
them out later for mass market.
BingoBoingo: Not sure what
that was exactly. Kinda looks like "shopping center" being shopped as warehouse
mircea_popescu: so it's not a matter of reversal. it's a matter
that
the practical structures of reality favour a certain equivalency class over
the other.
mircea_popescu: anyone can make "a prediction" (what=equivalent) but it really matters WHO makes it, as per
the pro idiotas article.
mircea_popescu: the major problem of contemporaneous, post-modern, post-structuralist whatever world is
that
the practical equivalency class is
the what, not
the who. such as for instance : as long as
the product is a web app, you know what shit it will be and all you care about is WHO. which is why we have
the entire who structure of code inheritance, much
to
the chagrin of
the "oh noes, wasn't invented here syndrome" belated modernists.
mircea_popescu: in belgium "but i am her husband" is no defense, but on
the contrary, scandalous ; and in brunei "but i fucked her right" is no defense, but on
the contrary, scandalous.
mircea_popescu: excess is actually repressed : for instance
the husband
that fails
to what correctly in belgium goes
to jail ; much like
the lover
that fails
to who correctly in brunei.
mircea_popescu: married woman in brunei, a
traditionalist society, expects
to be fucked, in
the way which fucking goes (ie, indifferent), by her husband but not by another man. and if her husband fucks with a stick, or with electrified vaginal pears, it's none of her business ; much like
the belgian woman might fuck another woman, or a cat or a bit of plastic, just as long as it DOES
the right
thing -
the brunei woman will fuck in whichever
mircea_popescu: married woman in belgium, a modernist society, expects
to fuck her husband, or another man (ie,
the who is indifferent) PROVIDED
they woo her properly.
the what is discerning, and "i fucked him because he bought me roses just like you did 20 years ago you pig" is perfectly "rational".
mircea_popescu: let's look at it
through
the example of
the married woman.
mircea_popescu: phf
there's a who and a what.
traditional societies put
the what in an equivalency ring and discern
the who ; modernist societies put
the who in an equivalency ring and discern
the what.
danielpbarron: doubtful. I wouldn't know where
to start, nor do i care
to have one. whatever is worth reading should work in lynx, and
the rest works on my phone
danielpbarron: can't emerge chromium because of
the masked packages
danielpbarron: i don't
think i even have a browser on
this gentoo one, besides lynx
danielpbarron: come
to
think of it,
that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox
☟︎ danielpbarron: i don't even care what it looks like, at least it got served.
these other sites give an error in lieu of
the requested page, something about unsupported browser
shinohai: I use wotpaste w/out browser,
thanks
to ben_vulpes help a few weeks back
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:08 danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered
that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied)
ben_vulpes: i eventually gave up on making
the mimisbrunnr block renditions look acceptable in lynx
danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered
that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied)
☟︎ jhvh1: thestringpuller:
The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In other google suck: If you
try searching for 2" drive sockets and breaker bars it returns ocean of wimpy 1/2" drive
phf: oh unless you mean it in a sense
that it's inevitable with you or without you
phf: not sure how reversion follows
though. it's easy
to run away into
the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into
tradition is equivalent
to death (per older
thread). "destruction of known universe"
☟︎ shinohai: These exchanges are like
the hydra, 2 more will pop up in its wake.
ben_vulpes: dear old kakobrekla will never admit
to cribbing from qntra
ben_vulpes: wasn't
there a qntra on
this, asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: and which is why
traditionalist societies guilty pleasure is genealogy, as in heraldics or vtronics ; whereas modernist societies guilty pleasure is "self improvement" as in miracle diets and college degrees. (no,
the
two aren't different,
the notion
that you will BECOME at
the college is entirely like
the notion
that you'll go
to heaven
through not cursing.)
mircea_popescu: in order for
the modernist delusion
to work, some equivalence clases are prerequsite, which is why all modern states are socialisms. if differences matter, "modern democracy" is impossible.
mircea_popescu: it's also
the deep reason why reversion
to feudalism / end of modernism is entirely unavoidable.
the deep reason "dark ages" guys did what
they did isn't
them being "stupid", it's
the absence of
the modernist interface. when
the world of possibilities is endless and
the only possible
trail is offered by strong identity, be it of
the chivalric or v/wot
type, society works a certain way.
phf: forest used
to be where
the ancestors came from and
that where demons and ghouls are. now ancestors come from
tradition and
that's where wilderness is
phf: huh, it's unknowable, so either presented as a joke, or as complete hostile aliennes. sort of
texas chainsaw massacre kind of stuff. russian equivalent would be narratives about "деревня"
mircea_popescu: it is however hermeneutics 101,
the pons asinorum of
the scholarly disciplines.
mircea_popescu: but it's never more
than context ; not in modern stories at any rate.
mircea_popescu: it's ever only used as a cheap mocking post, see. gotta frame
the modern story in some sort of context,
phf: "this is how
things are around here parts", except nobody ever said
that except in movies or when
things are no longer are
mircea_popescu: just because it's your daddy's modern dun make it
traditional.
mircea_popescu: kinda what "traditional society" actually means, if
the
term is used properly. and why derpage eg in
the us re "traditional marriage" is so hysterical. really,
TRADITIONAL ? mmmkay.
mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at
the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ?
then you go kill koschei. no ?
then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mircea_popescu: which is why eg.
the notion of "consent" is entirely baffling. what do you mean, ivan should ask natasha. ask her WHAT
THE FUCK ?!?! whether she IS a woman ? he can damn well see
that ?
mircea_popescu: in
the world in which he lives, you ARE
things ; you don't DO
things.
mircea_popescu: no. you can't fly by your breaches, can you ? nor can you "make yourself" a boyar. nor can koschei DO
things.
phf: i'm not sure i get it. perhaps
the idea is
that
the plot is constructed from conclusions backwards, rather
than as a chain of causes and effects resulting in an outcome,
then conclusion. so
the setup is restricted by what actions hero must perform or what other kind of allegory
mircea_popescu: my idea is
that it being an ontology (as distinct from and very much opposed
to a
technology) such is entirely out of
the question.
phf: probably not, requires a descent/ascent into
the cave for
the development of hero's journey. so couldn't keep it in his private study or kept some complicated opsec routine with fake needles and multiple storages and rotations, because
that would
take it out of realm of mythical
mircea_popescu: phf asciilifeform as per your understanding of folk logic, could Кощей have kept
the needle anywhere ?