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mircea_popescu: they actually say this, "i'm a dog lover". then you meet the dog, and the general effect is "i love kids" guy with a fridge full of kid parts.
mircea_popescu: and this nation, that to my knowledge has furthest perfected the art of pointlessly but with extreme callous cruelty torturing man's oldest and best friend, nevertheless considers itself full of dog lovers.
phf: somehow makes total sense from all the other argentina points
mircea_popescu: but there's still plenty of cats.
mircea_popescu: not quite, lots of dogs being tortured on small terraces, apartments, 3sq feet of concrete behind bars (srsly, pair of dogs, COULDNT EVEN STRETCH OUT!).
mircea_popescu does exactly this on occasion, feeds cats. ☟︎
phf: look, the margins are thin and the fish gotta go, you buying or what
pete_dushenski: or sign on car rotting on mechanic's lot : "needs work to get running but a smooth driver!"
mircea_popescu: like "fish, delicious and healthy!" label on a caserole in the discount yesterday's icebox.
mircea_popescu: i don't even doubt the label, i just find it amusing.
phf: well, i suspect he's got his facts right, but the commentary is dodgy
mircea_popescu: lol! dat "he got everything wrong but the subject is interesting".
BingoBoingo: In other customer complaints: "Bought a weed and grass killer. Used it according to instructions and it killed a linden tree and many plants. Ace does not seem to be responsible and turned me over to a David at spectrum who admitted that their product does damage."
phf: and on the subject of japan and doing things right, gwern wrote about internet culture in japan http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society#japan-and-the-internet he got everything wrong, but the subject is interesting ☟︎
phf: "Sure it might take ten years and only work on a quarter of the new hires but that’s why we employ you for 45 years and hire a hundred at once!"
phf: "The company will mold you to their exacting specifications to do whatever form of service they require. You will happily comply, in this as in all things. For example, if your company needs a Java-speaking systems engineer and you have a degree in Art History, this is not a problem because you can be fixed."
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't read that thread too close, but in japan they still seem to do "hire who not how" presumably successfully http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/
trinque: As Iraqi forces advanced toward the al-Salam hospital in Mosul earlier this week, encountering only light resistance from Islamic State fighters, commanders decided to seize the facility instead of sweeping the neighborhoods along the road leading to it.
trinque charitably assumes it was a chick blowing kisses at the Republic
mats: merp. friendo typed in my window
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mIgMP/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: i guess the dude was just "getting his identity confirmed" or w/e KYC stuff.
asciilifeform: technical term is 'shit test'
asciilifeform: ah hm i think i get it
mircea_popescu: yes but i guess they can't be arsed to deal with stuck in traffic peon / having to physically go to the peon pen etc
asciilifeform: normally this kind of thing is done by inviting candidate to a locked booth after arse search etc
mircea_popescu: dude i have nfi. because they're used to hiring camwhores ?
asciilifeform: why would they give exam on the d00d's comp, at ~his~ house
mircea_popescu: http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html << this is some serious sf shit.
asciilifeform: so i how do i parse 'picked off the streets == "not has imperial diploma"'
mircea_popescu: they usually don't walk the streets, being selected for a sort of pretentious lazyness, but anyway.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you have, now, patients ! probably you've done moar to cure gluttony than most medical men
mircea_popescu: how would i elaborate, you'e the one who's stumped. you elaborate.
mircea_popescu: picked off the streets == "not has imperial diploma"
mircea_popescu: as in, picked off the streets because anybody can anything and selected for certain attributes.
asciilifeform: will mircea_popescu hire a blind d00d? missing trigger finger? or even one of BingoBoingo's patients ?
asciilifeform: and guards -- picked off the street, because anybody-can-anything? or selected for certain attributes ?
mircea_popescu: or if they don't because society broke down, i guess my guardpeople shoot her and throw the body to the dogs. either way.
mircea_popescu: so she burns down some apartment. the firepeople will put it out, the insurance people will pay for it and i guess the police people will take her to the doctorpeople or w/e.
asciilifeform: proverbian the-house.
mircea_popescu: why would there be a THE HOUSE ? i don't subscribne to "let's all go to the same shitty island and make a georepublic" ima have a the house ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the cost of failure ? is it some sort of "oh, i can't go talk to the girl in the bar" sort of crazy ?
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine that whoever wanted to get in couldn't at least try.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am ill-equipped to describe it. but presumably there is a reason mircea_popescu has a harem, and not a human chick-sized 'cat door' to let in whoever.
mircea_popescu: nope. and what is the cost of failure ?
asciilifeform: as soon as the cost of failure is >0, selection becomes a thing -- does mircea_popescu not carefully select harem ?
mircea_popescu: the point is, that "i would suck at fucking dudes" is a very poor excuse and entirely rotten pillar of identity.
mircea_popescu: it's not like preference's forbidden or anything. i'm sure i'd be great at fucking dudes, too, i never fucked any nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: but by all means, if you, trinque or anyone else feels like running su airpilot style court, your right and priviledge. i'm sure it'll work just fine.
asciilifeform: this is rather different statement than 'there are no good-ats, anyone can anything'
mircea_popescu: if you feel like anything good ; and if you feel like nothing in particular reddit's that way.
mircea_popescu: i personally prefer the "here's the book pile, go read whatever ; do something"
asciilifeform: the theoretical weedouts
asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly rejected from flight academy even if they passed all of ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now THAT easy-seeking habituation is what the hot irons are used for.
mircea_popescu: and no, i have no argument - it is EASIER to think of yourself as "i am good at x" raqther than "brain works or doesn't work."
mircea_popescu: of course, this was in a time of general conscription and so forth. obviously things have changed - it is easier after all.
mircea_popescu: the "nfl picks" usian system seemed very alien, and quite frankly wasteful, to the general mind. "americans will never amount to anything in sports" therefore.
mircea_popescu: body works to eat*
mircea_popescu: there was entirely no "picking" in romania, the romania that produced the first full 10 olympic gymnasts. hundreds of thousands of kids ran into thousands of pe teachers who very pointedly "body works to it - now make it work to jump!"
mircea_popescu: laugh, but they very pointedly picked former approach.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu surely was involved in some form of sport, at one time. or knew folks who were. did trainers take the approach 'either body works, or doesn't' ? or did they pick childrenz with the right body type for the contest
mircea_popescu: for one thing.
trinque: and that a brain works does not mean that the requisite information for a particular has yet been jammed in.
asciilifeform: if 'there is no good-at' and can train-anybody-to-anything with sufficient application of hot irons
mircea_popescu: i also didn't see meat airplane borne out of the soviet maternity circuit. this proves something ?
mircea_popescu: what sense does this make ?
asciilifeform: how about cs equivalence to diffie hellman proof ?
mircea_popescu: there's no "good at math" anymore than there is "white dicks cunt"
mircea_popescu: either your brain works or doesn't. if it does, you can use it for all brain things, much like either your cunt works or doesn't, and if it does it does for all dicks.
mircea_popescu: and i am entirely unconvinced by this "good at x" bs. nobody's "good at x". the "good at x" is nonsense of the ilk and period of "blind love", to try and help the wedge of who-equivalency into the trunk of reality.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i did no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever translate http://trilema.com/2010/minciuna-cosubstantiala ?
asciilifeform: but so far looks to me as if it mostly attracts folk who are good at playing eulora, rather than generalists spilling over into the kinds of projects in motion here.
mircea_popescu: still, the question was "how who" not "how non-who". that your milk contains fat and water is not a valid objection to "how do you get fat from the cow ?" "you milk it"
asciilifeform: this may be, but i could not tell that this is so by the backflow from #e into #t
mircea_popescu: ie, "how to fish whos"
mircea_popescu: eulora, with its steep learning curve and well engineered intake manifolds is actually a muchly improved bitcoin from THIS perspective.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for instance, (for those who were not tuned in), was excavated from www by hanbot
asciilifeform: well yes, but how didja dig him out of the ground
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 14:44 mircea_popescu has the pleasure to introduce EDLionX , who's chinese, lives in brunei and looks altogether like a great kid (though he isn't a kid!)
asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's sketch, by what process does 'who' come to exist ?
mircea_popescu: (arguably this is also in the past - not like i'm actually forbidding redditards to reddit, even as i am squeezing the cream from the thing)
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to forbid modernism. they who wish to feel equal will have a place where this is how things works.
mircea_popescu: (o look! the separation of the fat from the water in the sense of leaving the who-equivalent modernists behind in the gutter is actually quite the viscerally ferocious thing!)
asciilifeform: afaik we still dun have a tech for producing ubermenschen other than by keeping massive herd of 'average human' around somewhere
mircea_popescu: which reduces to and is in fact equivalent with the "no economic future for average human" above, and with the "there's nothing one can do on the simple basis of being one" even further above.
mircea_popescu: the WHO is the major consideration ; the what is relatively equivalent.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the original point was how the environment changed, and modernism is strictly no longer possible because exogenous reasons, not opened to consensusing electoralizing etc.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, that when is cca 1999.
mircea_popescu: once that becomes old, they'll become dead, in a very starved and cold sense of the term.
asciilifeform: 'robocalypse' is a when, not if, yes, but there are certain obstacles (mainly reducing to 'software sucks', and even 'we don't quite have computer yet')
mircea_popescu: for as long as we still feel like entertaining ourselves by providing them with food and board, the derpage will last. and they'll "put women back into history at the call of bbc wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: there's no economic future for the average human, quite literally.
mircea_popescu: sure, but tell you what : the headaches of managing herd would be a lot closer in your mind had you i dunno, been a mcdonalds manager in your late teens.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at no point in my head for this thread was 'tuna can', but the headaches of fairly standard industrial robot process over which i presided some years ago
mircea_popescu: do you know how many longshoremen work for amazon ? o wait ... the name is entirely antiquated.
asciilifeform: actually there ~is~ , lol
mircea_popescu: yes, there isn't a beep-boop thing going around your livingroom. but it might as well be - the warehouse is entirely robotized ; the production line mostly ; etcetera. even driving is going away.