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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: picture 'coins as planets, discovered planet? you have a coin' approx.
mircea_popescu: yes, property is functionally as well as fundamentally "this is mine which means it's not yours nor yours nor yours nor - i see you there hiding in the back, yours either!"
mircea_popescu: still, none of this solves the fundamental problem, which is : as more and more people get involved, the cost of reporting each transaction to everyone else balloons.
davout: i make pretty much all of my txes by hand and fragmentation is something i try to avoid as much as possibru
mircea_popescu: depends on factors and things but as degree of magnitude it's there.
mircea_popescu: anyway. war in this sense, as in napoleon invading, is a loss of information. ie, library burning.
mircea_popescu: yes, but as they progress so does the bitcoin fragment.
mircea_popescu: as time wears on, more and more tinier and tinier bits of coin carry irreducible meaning, and can't be defragged
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand it, a defragging tx weighs exactly same as fragging tx , though
mircea_popescu: all coins, in the sense of agglomerations of satoshi, exist as descendents of an original block subsidy, and in that sense ARE coinbases ; much like electrons or photons are wave functions. they manifest verifiably in certain points, as "unspent transaction outputs" ; muych like waveform collapses. they interact with matter, in certain ways,this is called a transaction.
ben_vulpes: "coinbases" in this post means something rather different from what i've come to know them as eg the block subsidy
asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu 's sketch
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'gen' meant as signer also
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608165 << it's the right process. if you aim to cut function out, first separate it, then produce replacement. modularize, as it were. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 18:04 asciilifeform: but in latest lulz, http://archive.is/8G35m >> 'O’Grady was mistakenly identified this week as a Secret Service agent (also named Kerry O’Grady) who is under investigation for posting a statement on Facebook that appeared to indicate she preferred jail over being shot and killed for President Trump.'
mircea_popescu: tough as nails to translate though
ben_vulpes: nono, as in go look at it now
ben_vulpes: yes well i may as well just scrape btcbase at that point asciilifeform
Framedragger: bouncer is actually quite nice, as phf said; that's what he had before, he wanted db for xrefs etc
ben_vulpes: as i recalled.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i can scrape btcbase as well as the next feller.
davout: ben_vulpes: but even if separate binary i see this more as a "reference wallet" in the same way the "reference miner" demonstrates what a miner does, but isn't actually used by anyone professionnally issuing transactions
ben_vulpes: davout: what /currently/ compiles as the single binary "trb"
davout: ben_vulpes: can compile as separate binaries
ben_vulpes: i am still not sold on moving the wallet outside of what compiles as "trb"
trinque: guy was using the sign-message as an example for a smaller cut than the wallet
asciilifeform: the even faint implication that i ought to so much as consider heathen nontrb wallets.
asciilifeform: that enemy shoved in as attempt to exploit the node.
davout: asciilifeform: well, maybe for forensic purpose you want to open up an accounts-enabled legacy wallet? i don't know, sounds equally likely as "want to check signature some derp made in weird ways during ancient times"
trinque: "nothing but this particular arrangement of driftwood counts as actual reference trb"
thestringpuller: is there a way to scrape the UTXO set in TRB or do you have to do that manually as of now?
asciilifeform: tell me why a cut should be so much as considered for ten seconds without a ready, tested replacement.
davout: asciilifeform: can use same openssl as trb
asciilifeform: but in latest lulz, http://archive.is/8G35m >> 'O’Grady was mistakenly identified this week as a Secret Service agent (also named Kerry O’Grady) who is under investigation for posting a statement on Facebook that appeared to indicate she preferred jail over being shot and killed for President Trump.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: they are , as i understand it, going for the classical kgb/gru split.
asciilifeform: (rather than , as one could naively suppose ) starvation, or 'honest work'
mircea_popescu: the shedding of 500k federal jobs in dc is underway, by the way. people are making financial arrangements, such as getting out of mortgages.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608058 << hard part is not removing, but building new one as standalone proggy ☝︎
mircea_popescu: let the job of merging be done later, that's the idea. eventually as the chains get long and review has progressed significantly, people can rebase multiple patches into one.
davout: mostly as an exercise in vtronics
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 22:42 asciilifeform: 'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because...
asciilifeform: imho could easily live a new life as non-radiating ('tempest') connector between crypto gear.
asciilifeform: as if anyone gave half a shit about any attacker but the One.
asciilifeform: 'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because... ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: as soon as plug is pulled, all of usa is iraq.
trinque: asciilifeform: I would say my view of former USSR is as cartoonish as your present view of certain parts of north america you apparently haven't spent time in
mircea_popescu: and the alternative here, ie, "federation", as in weimar republic exacrtly is strictly non workable because endothermic. and there's no heat to be had. not no mo.
asciilifeform: there ~are~, just as in every other part of the world, folx who can live on tree bark and make musket from old truck axle, etc.
asciilifeform: the 'we are autarkik paradise in the making, as soon as we eject the parasitic rest-of-continent' is only slightly less laughable re tx than re ca.
mircea_popescu: the ideology is still there, just as recoverable today as it was in lincoln's day.
mircea_popescu: they don't know it yet, but they're as dead as polish jews.
mircea_popescu: the louder if useless city kids don't have it, but what they have or don't have is irrelevant - anyone with a social media profile is dead as of last week
asciilifeform: we can start as soon as mircea_popescu gets the landsknecht through the time machine booth
asciilifeform: as for 'iraq as 51st state', we saw result of this attempt in 2003-present, neh..?
ben_vulpes: gonna hear the same wail in re the fda as well, with the same response. "they fed us meth under doctors orders. kill them all."
trinque: why do you think the EPA is being gutted as we speak?
ben_vulpes: put ten through get one out. almost as good for the body politic as war proper.
mircea_popescu: random 20yo piucked off the street thinks it's his option as to whether he works oil rig or not.
ben_vulpes: the performance-art-masquerading-as-commentary is growing shriller and less amusing by the day.
ben_vulpes: this repositing every single thing that happens as a direct result of the great inca in america is downright tiring. inca gives zero shits about this corner of its empire, leaves us to fend for ourselves.
mircea_popescu: as the narrative goes, they choose not to run
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as it is usa has problem even making pig iron
asciilifeform: but that box is as loud as a shop vac.
asciilifeform: and because over-speed fan (as in , with air applied) burns the bearing in <5sec ?
asciilifeform: to briefly return to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607573 , as i was painfully rubbed into it yesterday, in own iron: the hardware follows a 'passenger pigeon' dynamic: 'today, plenty' -- 'tomorrow, plenty' ... ... 'suddenly, none' ☝︎
asciilifeform: these are 'kalash', they can be brought up with some patch wire, in a pinch, not even needing pcb, and exist in ~limitless junkyard supply, as does their ram and glue logic; and can be manufactured with sov-era fab tech, in turn can be re-created for less than what a dozen garbage trucks cost.
mircea_popescu: this isn't so much a problem, as hardware also has no future.
mircea_popescu: try an enumeration as an exercise ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect as the basis grows there's going to be a lot more such cross-verification.
asciilifeform: if your vtree traces pedigree to one of THESE as genesis, i or anyone else possessing such a disk, can be satisfied that it is not a modern wholesale forgery
asciilifeform: incidentally there is such a thing as a 'stone witness', if you will. e.g., i have tarballs from 1990s on cdrom.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda where all this is going as far as i can see.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:00 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but submission, same as the chick's
mircea_popescu: nobody as far as i know.
asciilifeform: as i see it, a large part of 'why wot' is to deliberately interfere with the 'circle of life' , to deny the scammer his easy prey.
asciilifeform: lemme ask mircea_popescu : would he classify , e.g., pirate, as 'hostis humani generis' ?
asciilifeform: ecology -- is legitimately a thing (as distinct from enviro-whinery) and we all share atmosphere, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the "from the sewers" spain discussion. yes, as desirable as ebola virus. keeps the
asciilifeform: robs-all-comers is vermin, as desirable as ebola virus.
asciilifeform: the only reasonable answer to targeted, planned, premeditated theft, is to disproportionalely punish the rogue. (as per mircea_popescu's disproportionate-punishment article)
mircea_popescu: even so. as any half competent mobster can tell you, by the time you're targeted for theft your organsiation's been utter shit for a while.
mircea_popescu: thief is, as our russki friend points out, only out to do crime to us for goods he could get other place.
asciilifeform: as in '90s ru
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's an age-based thing. younguns tend to try it out because thye need to because they suck ; as they stop sucking they stop needing to and adult identity is born. nothing wrong with any part of this.
asciilifeform: except that it'll be no gain at all if as a result the expected material for ALL construction is granite.
asciilifeform: in principle, strong d00d-with-shovel is exactly same as bulldozer. but in practice he is not, and bulldozer changed the type of construction that can be reasonably contemplated.
mircea_popescu: which is how you end up with an operating room : a neat place with few nooks and crannies where only surgeons (as opposed to mice ; cockroaches ; bacteria) are allowed access. as a result, no shit hiding in corners.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607094 << this is entirely valid and utterly true. as the space of representation is so much larger than any possible inquiry (refresher http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594978 ) it then follows that plenty of shits won't be found until stepped on. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: underlined as such in the wot article too. that's the important point : wot works WITHOUT the person being examined.
asciilifeform: lemme approach from slightly different angle. one of the reasons why wot works as well as it does, is a certain human weakness of malefactors, where they habitually stick to one or a very few persona, and make admissions-against-interest.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much of this is habit. consider for a second the case of the nickname dude, who is currently having a meltdown in my comment section on the apparent expectation that i somehow care what he said and i read the various comments as comming ~from the same one guy~. he actually thinks this ; actually expects me to allocate INDIVIDUALITY on the basis of anonymous. it's almost as if i were to wake up every morning and on
a111: Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
asciilifeform: (as in mr.t's slogan)
trinque: ahaha, I was searching for it, got alf just now as first result
asciilifeform: but as i see it, if you are going to have the 'multiple personalities' thing, you MUST have signed ratings.
asciilifeform: and trb-genesis let it be CLEARLY and PERMANENTLY marked as not-child-of-mine, for each of the signatories.
asciilifeform: but Framedragger has a larger and imho relevant point, the ecc in trb is part of the world-as-we-found-it
Framedragger: i'm sorry but that's false equivalence. EC crypto is used in timestamping service which is used for actual business transactions. not as trivial as dead passive animal under house