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jurov: mircea_popescu: i offered netpbm,
that's well specified ascii image format
jurov: i don't see what's
the problem with having 8-10x more data
phf: mircea_popescu: i get
the problem, but you can always some up with a strict no-blob solution, whether or not it's practical. in
this case include your entire
training set,
that, being go boards, can literally be represented as ascii x/o drawings
mircea_popescu: "text representation" doesn't have
that hard a meaning in
this context
though. what's it mean ?
jurov: i
think phf means
that everything should be converted into
text representation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally it always amuses me how fascinated
the redditard/ycombinatard always seem
to be with
the "pick 2 of 3" sort of shits,
to
the point of aspiring
to have one named after
themselves / renaming ancient ones in anecdotal rephrasings
to honor whatever particularly hipstery doofus. never once does it occur
to
them
that
the only
thing
this means is "the problem's misstated".
mircea_popescu: phf suppose you make an ai expert system
to beat us at go.
this gives you
two practical options : either include 10gb worth of binary flags preset ; or else have us beat it at go for 10 centuries before it gets
to where it plays like a freshly fucked 19yo.
☟︎ phf: i'm convinced
that blobs shouldn't go into vpatches,
this completely breaks
the whole readability/communication aspect of it, while still remaining promisestronic: you have
to
take some additional step after pressing
to get
the final images.
mircea_popescu: jurov no because
then you're stuck with a reflexive system
jurov: MIME avoids
this by generating unique magic strings as delimiters after
the fact. but you don't want
to, i guess.
mircea_popescu: so i'ma just wait here for you
to p, and comment
thar rather
than
try and spec a
tmsr-rsa-clearsign ?
mircea_popescu: (i confess it does
to me, has no value other
than cheapness. but gotta see what peoples
think
too!)
mircea_popescu: phf
trinque mod6 does
this notion sound as idiotic
to you as it does
to him ?
mircea_popescu: what, you
think it just happened ? it didn't just happen.
mircea_popescu: in principle we should just make it
the whole story, "----- BEGIN FUCKAGE -----"
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform : as a palleative : could we actually just fucking edit koch-rsa so
that "----" rather
than "-" becomes a symbol and deploy
this on deedbot ?
mircea_popescu: you don't "exponent multiply"
the payload "up until you run into
the number of
the beast"
phf: mircea_popescu:
the whole
thing is "magic char" driven
though. in
this particular case
the failure is not just from clearsign, but from a combination of clearsign and vpatch own magic chars.
mircea_popescu: this may even be ok if
the magic chars weren't fucking DASHES ffs.
mircea_popescu: phf
these are palleative solutions, you understand i'm sure.
the fundamental problem here is
that clearisgn is a "magic char" driven
thing like nonsense "nullterm" string constructions
phf: so vpatches all have preludes, by virtue of how diff/patch works (that's how you can just cat mail.mbox > patch). i was
thinking of using
that prelude for readme, but you can put base64 binary files
there, and verbally communicate additional required steps. it's ugly, but it's without mutilating core concept. prelude is reveserved for whatever ugly special case hacks, etc.
mircea_popescu: would you agree
the correct move here is
to actually specify clearsign format for
tmsr-rsa ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:46 asciilifeform: btw for folx who are
thick as a brick i will point out,
that i SPECIFICALLY DO NOT WANT vdiff's '---'
turned by idiot koch liquishit into '- ---'
mircea_popescu: adlai your attempts
to state "the moon math" for $item resulted in knowledge
that... "not possible
to put into bitcoin" ?
this is mixnonsense wtf. math is math.
adlai: (this is re:
the "MimbleWimble" not-yet-altcoin)
adlai: re: "go do
things", another
thing i've been doing is studying
towards
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556804. my understanding
thus far is
that it is firmly within "not possible
to put into Bitcoin"
territory, but still potentially interesting; and i am not yet confident enough in my understanding
to
try explaining
to others; but i should be in a ~month.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:40 asciilifeform: WITHOUT
THE IDIOT MUTILATION of clearsign
mircea_popescu: just drop
the whole imagination
thing, it ain't useful. it just provides a way for you
to waste your energy. go do
things, if you ask
then "hey, i am now opening shop for adlai's electronic dildos, but i don't intend
to do X like nsa did, but
this other way, anyone see a problem?" you'll get an answer and proceed from
there.
adlai: mircea_popescu: i'm
trying
to replace
the mistaken assumptions, stemming from operating hypothetical services within my own imagination.
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of BingoBoingo from 2
to 3 << "Qntra: Herald of
The Most Serene Republic"
phf: asciilifeform: perhaps binary blobs don't belong ~in~ vpatch in general for philosophical and mechanical reasons. my proposed solution 2 would be
to extend vpatch
tool
to
tack one base64 binary blobs after
the fact. you can grep for "appears
to be binary" or whatever it is and feed
those separately
to uuencode/decode.
mircea_popescu: your assumption is mistaken in your having one in
the first place.
adlai: my intent was not nubbins's "you guys are operating badly", but rather "you guys are operating differently from how i expected, could you please educate me as
to why my assumption is incorrect?"
shinohai: !!rate BingoBoingo 3 "Qntra: Herald of
The Most Serene Republic"
mircea_popescu: yes, but what
the fuck is it his business
that old whore of hillary is doing my secretarial work ?
mircea_popescu: this "concerned public" nubbinstardation didn't work for
the original nubbins. you
think you're special or some shit ?
adlai: i do hope
that identifying my assumptions as such as improvement upon leaving
them implicit.
mircea_popescu: being an obnoxious
turd, no matter how disguised, ain't gonna purchase you jack shit. no matter what you delude yourself into
thinking it purchased.
mircea_popescu: minding own business, as reflected in, for eg, having actually come up with something useful at some point, and also in
the negative in, eg, not asking me
to do your homework out of published data, is key.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:32 adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted
to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all
these assumptions!)
that asciilifeform is
the one actually doing
the assembly + shipping?
adlai: asciilifeform: hypothetical program gets
two files as input, old version and new version. proceeds
to make diff itself, rather
than relying on gnudiff; doesn't need
to use awk matching since it's not massaging grudiff output but rather producing
the vpatch directly itself,
thus bypassing
this magic string. am i missing something?
mircea_popescu: afaik outside of my referencing him (and for
that matter
tlp) by name, it "wasn't know" at least "not publicly" etc. which is disjunct from "not knowable" ofcoars.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:12 Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad
that he's doing
the "i don't use gpg anymore"
thing,
too
phf: asciilifeform: i suggested one, i'm still suggesting it. philosophically correct solution would be
to reduce graph
to something
that can be reasoned about as
text. note
that i'm not even sure if i'm prepared
to advocate for
that as
the main way forward, but it's an option.
mircea_popescu: because yes - we are
taking over rsa altogether, from
the format down.
mircea_popescu: we appreciate
the compliment ;
they can go serenade all
the dumb cunts
that don't know better, as before.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:08
thestringpuller: look i
thought jgarzik's
tweet about gpg dying was just an outlier of PRB nonsense but it's a plague now I've witnessed for myself,
that is all
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:03 shinohai: nah
they still ask you
to "paste copy of privkey in browser
to enact enhanced features*
adlai: my proper fix
to
this would be writing vdiff in zero-dependency ANSI CL, and replacing
the "long career of idiot special case patches" with a short career of specific kelvin-reducing patches
phf: asciilifeform:
to some extent it goes back
to
the
that
thread about
thinking on
the board, and
the result of
thinking
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 17:54 adlai: asciilifeform: any forecast of when batch
two will assemble & ship?
adlai: as i see it
the problem is
that a valid gnudiff output is a false positive for
the awk script,
this actually has nothing
to do with b64
that just happens
to have produced
the first example of
this output
phf: what about providing schematics in a
textual format of some sort? it being a graph some form of graphviz dot or whatever