234100+ entries in 0.143s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's
the problem with signed
tarball again ?
Framedragger: (i am aware of vdiff barfing over certain character sequences. but maybe it'd be enough
to
timestamp-and-sign hash for now?
to be able
to *prove*
things.)
Framedragger: what use are
they who do not verify anyway? do you expect
those who do not verify
to verify v sigs?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ---- except
that i can't because apparently we have 0 working infrastructure for actually releasing v code << i disagree with
this. what we have, and
trb isn't
the only one who's done
this, is; you make a mirror, and
then v.pl deals with
this. you grab all
the vpatches you want, and
the sigs from people you
trust, and you place
them in v,
then you do what you wanna do.
Framedragger: sure,
this isn't a logistical solution, but you'll be able
to point
to a
timestamped-and-signed checksum.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: *for
the
time being*, can you not hash
the package, and deedbot clearsigned hash of package?
mod6: what do you propose as
the idea solution here?
mod6: then do nothing, until
there is a solution.
mod6: it's your
thing, you can do it however you see fit.
mod6: then
this is a question for
trinque; he'll know if deedbot can or can't deal with .sig files.
mod6: are you just
trying
to clearsign one vpatch
then?
mircea_popescu: sensible, but even if it were - sadmods, a page worth 640mb may well not be worth doing as such. really i gotta dld a jiggabit of data every
time ?
mircea_popescu: yeh sadmods can't be accessed. maybe just
take
the loi
mircea_popescu: atm it's not fucking usable, it's been
trying
to load for 2 minutes.
mircea_popescu: yes, it still will be, except you gotta put a for loop in
the bash!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally,
this sadmods page with its 640k entries is insanity. gotta ship
that data in a better format
than webpage.
mircea_popescu: there's 247 unreported in
the above figures (going by phuctor's stats page listing 1136 broken moduli atm)
mircea_popescu: except
there were 9
today, so it's certainly increasing velocity
mircea_popescu: which is why people never evaluate correctly neither whether
they'll drop
the vase
too ; nor whether
the suicidal depressive will actually kill
themselves.
mircea_popescu: ie, in world-context
the bias is for object ; and in i-context
the bias is for subject.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 18:18 mircea_popescu: if girl a sees girl b drop a vase girl a
thinks girl b is clumsy ; if girl a sees girl a drop
the same vase girl a
tihnks
the vase is slippery.
mircea_popescu: and finally re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584334 :
this isn't an "error" -
there is perfectly good reason for
the bias (bias is not automatically erroneous!)
to flow
this way :
the event ~happened in
the world~. when
the event happens in
the head, girl a sees girl b feel like a slut, decides girl b is drunk ; girl a sees girl a feel like a slut, decides she is a slut.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: the ustards are a selection of people uniquely and colossal-y afraid of dying, which explains most of
the psychopathology.
mircea_popescu: (yes, fear of death, in
the infantile form
thereof is
the deep driver behind
the pretense of integration "not being a problem", not laziness or anything else.)
mircea_popescu: but
this aside,
the only reason you're "better" ie different is
that you don't know.
mircea_popescu: just, since
the
transperson is more specified
than
the any other person,
there is also a more accessible route
to
their doom
mircea_popescu: a
transperson is no more or less doomed
than any other person ; because, again,
the gap is fundamental and can not be bridged.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 15:19 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd
then perhaps say
that, maybe, a
transperson is doomed
to not be able
to reconcile i-you and world-you, and it is
tragic
to
that person (but
that *pretending* as if one has integrated
the
two in
that instance is very stupid)?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584892 << i would say
that pretending
the integration "was already done", as if it were some sort of artefact like an oven rather
than a process, like respiration ; or pretending
that "someone else" is responsible for it being done (such as don't say word x in front of person y because o noes
they're
too frail
to manage) is pure infantilism.
☝︎ Framedragger: (yeah, imo its central focal point *is*
the whole reconciliation issue, from epistemology point of view)
Framedragger: (hm, maybe you'd not allow for such a
term (transperson) in
the first place...)
mircea_popescu: back
to welt der kunst for a moment :
there is
this (idiotarian) notion
that
the role of art is somehow "emotional" and a piece of crap is art if it "evokes" in
the viewer. bullshit.
the only point of art is exactly as above : if it provides persuasive examples of
the nature discussed.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd
then perhaps say
that, maybe, a
transperson is doomed
to not be able
to reconcile i-you and world-you, and it is
tragic
to
that person (but
that *pretending* as if one has integrated
the
two in
that instance is very stupid)?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh. how does it feel
to be liek, in
the center of a world so blinded by its central greatness it dares not even raise its eyes ?
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded
that it is correct
to hold
the ability
to reconcile
the i-you and
the world-you correctly from both perspectives as
the one
test of maturity of
the individual. it is however
trivial
to empirically prove
this is not always possible (which is
the deep meaning as well as
the intellectual relevancy of
tragedy - and which is why
the greeks or shakespeare matter, and some nigglet woman does not).
mircea_popescu: xt.
there is no "you"
that'd allow any sort of ambiguity on
this
topic whatsoever, and
the pretense
to
the contrary is what makes "socpsy" a non-scientific endeavour on
the level of kindergaterners playing with cubes -
they're not civil engineers!
mircea_popescu: anyway, re
the "world-you/i-you" dichotomy and
the nonsensical "fundamental attribution error"/"socpsy" poppycock :
the determinations of others as
to you are made in
the context of world-you, and correct or incorrect in
THAT context ; your determinations as
to you are made ~at your option~ in
the context of i-you, and correct or incorrect in
that context ; or in
the context of world-you and correct or incorrect in
THAT conte
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha,
the whole us shebang is very neatly su-inspired.
mircea_popescu: and in other news
the argentine cattlehead is
the most incredible
thing known
to man.
they literally have no indoor. whether it's 3am or 3pm, whether it's inside a hallway or out in a field somehwere, YOU WILL GET
THE SAME BLAST!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 14:19 mircea_popescu: (moscow psychology is famous for discovering
that
the city of moscow had
the greatest concentration of sufferers of sluggish schizophrenia in
teh world!)
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:40 asciilifeform: if i had
time, i'd buy
the
thing and publicly rape it (differential power probe) but i haven't
the
time.
Framedragger: i wasn't even aware
that
their ghetto currently allowed editing of english wiki articles by unregistered accts
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is under a lot of pressure, very
thin hr on
the ground
mircea_popescu: " << journaho doesn't know how
to compile,
therefore imagines source and binary are
two separate
things, and not in
the private-public key relationship.
mircea_popescu: "The bulk of
these projects are not provided in source code form and instead appear
to be binary files, which further strengthens
the hypothesis
that
these files were compromised from an operational staging post or actively obtained from a field operation. If
they had been in source code format
then
this would suggest an insider leak is more likely, binary files are often used in operations over
their source code counterpart.
mircea_popescu: note
the "7,894" prices everywhere. because
they won't fucking admit it's 10 btc for
the life of 'em.
Framedragger: haha! right, yeah. good
to keep
that in mind. (subconsciously, i
think,
that's why i abbreviated
the
term, it's pretty derp.) it's sad
that some (actually) useful notions are held under its umbrella (such as FAE, even
though, yes, we've probably seen
the latter defined elsewhere in other ways, and it's something
that self-aware people
tend
to be conscious about anyway.)
mircea_popescu: (note, incidentally, how EXACTLY
the us "liberal" discourse maps on 1920s chief fascist's discourse)
mircea_popescu: (moscow psychology is famous for discovering
that
the city of moscow had
the greatest concentration of sufferers of sluggish schizophrenia in
teh world!)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: pseudoscientific discipline is
to push a individual-bad society-good political agenda.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
that said,
the whole field of "socpsy" is poppycock, entirely in
the manner of "moscow psychology" - it exists
to
try and justify a, in mussolini's
terms, "Against individualism,
the Fascist conception is for
the State;" (
http://trilema.com/2013/sex-in-the-news/#selection-105.0-105.64 ).
they even admit
their "bedrock" is
this "fundamental attribution error".
they don't however admit
that
the whole point of
this
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:11 asciilifeform: gotta love
the neverending attempt
to make water non-wet.
mircea_popescu: this is irl example,
too. owning slaves = loads of fun, like kittens ^ akaname or somesuch.