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mod6: remove_tmpdir($tdir);

mod6: make_tmpdir($tdir);

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: odd! are they so rare today ?

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: while you're in there can you get your vtron to cleanup its tmp gnupg directory when it catches a ctrl-c? << if you CTRL+C the thing, it really can't get rid of it. you're expected to clean this up on your own so the vtron doesn't remove something it wasn't suppoesd to.

asciilifeform: ever owned a rpn calc , ben_vulpes ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that ben_vulpes had done hard time on jvm

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: questions/comments ? does ch4 make sense to you ?

asciilifeform: >> http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt#L63 << concretely.

asciilifeform: there's a stray MustNotZero(Stack(SP)); in ffa_calc.

lobbes: In other incidental preguntas: mircea_popescu, can you recommend good "introductory" reading on the subject of thought classification? It seems like the obvious fundamental to improving my cognitive processes ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 06:21 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129644482406982@naggum.no.html << this exchange with fare is pretty amusing/informative both wrt "who is this francois-rene rideau character ?" and as an early "bitcoin improvements from the sewer" sampler/potputre.

mod6: the 'print_press_path' subroutine is, for the time, for debugging only.

mod6: yeah, i actually did add a 'check_required' routine that is semi-related to this. for instance, when that error happened, it was because some guy didn't have `sha512sum'. so the check_required subroutine will now run first, and check to ensure that a list of system biniaries are available before anything happens. and if not, exits.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: speaking of nonemacsism, adacore's special-purpose editor, 'gps', is imho pretty decent

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'best thing is never to have programmed at all' or how did socrates put it. ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed it is.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 05:03 mircea_popescu: in other antiqua entomologica arcana, https://www.xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html

asciilifeform: in the same sense as e.g. mircea_popescu is 'crippled from' eating at wallmart .

asciilifeform: diana_coman: printer forces max cols.

asciilifeform: they make a difference, diana_coman , those 4 chars. just like if you suggested to a railroad to take 4cm from the rail gauge.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: as a side effect, you get an easily formatted code-box for blogging, as in ffa.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: not merely code, but everything that is in a vpatch

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 03:07 mircea_popescu: so to have closure, i suppose http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763975 should read "80 cols plox what is this"

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 04:41 mircea_popescu will take this to the comment section now.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> holy hell i lived to see the end of the 4th day of 2018 logs. << ikr!

mircea_popescu: diana_coman technically it's incorrect to say "6 bits will always be 1" ; it's the case that the first and the last bits of N are always 1 ; and a further number of bits are subtly affected (ie, biased) by the p, q masks.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman "to unsure" -> ensure

asciilifeform: ( i can't see from where mircea_popescu extracts this )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta odd p,q

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 11 x 11 = 1001 ; 10 x 10 = 0100

a111: Logged on 2012-10-15 05:01 BTC-Mining: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device#Rape-aXe

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj is a type of boobytrap, vs freud's

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 20:19 ben_vulpes: btw how come nobody in the "stop rape culture!!11" world has done an indiestarter to build the vagina dentata from neal stephenson's snow crash?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which ?

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 19:58 ben_vulpes: yes i know, in ro

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 17:31 mircea_popescu: esthlos please let your paragraphs flow. please.

phf: mircea_popescu: 80col is such an old holiwar you're risking myself or ascii moving in a backyard and building defensive possitions, like those boys they bring from iraq do. "son, you can come out now, we showed those no break somsabeaches"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall tigerfibel ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: make, why not. then it gets to be 2line

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho 1 lf per para is The Right Thing ~in humanolade strictly~

asciilifeform: e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L205

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: observe again style in ffa

phf: mircea_popescu: you don't necessarily need to introduce a break, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764371 ☝︎

asciilifeform: so answer to mircea_popescu's q is, neither !

asciilifeform: ( to 80col. when writing proggy. to mircea_popescutronic 1 per para, when writing human. )

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 19:23 ben_vulpes: > i haven't tried this test yet << and you don't know that it only works on the feeble minded, literally anyone else is going to see exactly what you're doing and give the canned response that you want: "the patriarchy keeps women down and what is really called for is demoting and docking mens wages, and promoting science education for little girls, and generally eradicating the constructed gender binary so

phf: elastic spaces in this case means variable width spaces. you can't have that in plain text. you can either have foo_bar or foo__bar or ...

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Citations:ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah ' nagl fhtagn ...: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:ph%2527nglui_mglw%2527nafh_Cthulhu_R%2527lyeh_wgah%2527nagl_fhtagn>; ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah ' nagl fhtagn - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ph%2527nglui_mglw%2527nafh_Cthulhu_R%2527lyeh_wgah%2527nagl_fhtagn>; Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah ' nagl fhtagn - (1 more message)

a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."

asciilifeform: this is again the 'i can tell gabriel_laddel from maxwell' . asciilifeform , and mircea_popescu , and any sane folx can trivially distinguish 'less malnutrited japanese' from 'mcfood-eater' transformations

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is especially difficult for fathers with... nothing to pick from

asciilifeform: the saving grace is that it is not , in practice, usually difficult to distinguish the folx who are at least earnestly shooting for maxwellization ( and prepared to acknowledge failure ; THEIR ~personal~ failure ) from the gabriel_laddels

a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:39 mircea_popescu: don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit that will prevent you from ever inventing anything.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> diana_coman: picture, if su survived, you might be designing votingcircuit cpu for e.g. 'buran' << In veintenary switches!

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 01:18 mircea_popescu: it should be evident that 1. i can argue for epicycles and 2. unless you're at least this tall to ride (which is -- MUCH taller than average college professor), you CAN NOT dispel them out of my hand.

asciilifeform: more dangerous is the gabriel_laddel-style confusion, 'i dun need no book-larnin', classical mechanics is for squares, i'ma straight to genius and discovery'

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 18:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but now merge these factual observations, which are correct BUT SUPERFICIAL, with your own knowledge on and around the scheuristic point of "coffin liners".

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it could also be that there's so much metrage of dead air to fill and so very little to fill it with. "this may be an entertaining talkshow ; it isn't, of course, but... WSOD!!!"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~whole field consists of 'it works, BUT...'

asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu has it

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes :p

shinohai: Comedy that ben_vulpes might enjoy: http://archive.is/9gkfT "If we see more female figures on traffic lights that might also have a positive impact on changing the way we view the world."

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the secondary stack thing worx correctly in modern-day gnat. but i banned it. ( because it makes reading disasmed binariolade harder; reasoning about the semantics of the latter -- also harder; and consumes very scarce, on small embedded chips, memory , imho needlessly ) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: aaand in other "ugly teeth run in the family" news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/2620b35ac849769e1e1c6e8b9ad7416e/tumblr_my5xgeZoPf1rmux9jo1_1280.jpg

asciilifeform: Matthew: that's mircea_popescu's www.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: consider, not only 'programmable' but theoretically the only 'indestructible' machine yet built, where you can (at least in principle) replace ALL of the wear parts without stopping

asciilifeform: diana_coman: picture, if su survived, you might be designing votingcircuit cpu for e.g. 'buran'

asciilifeform: diana_coman: neato.

asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman started as a mathematician , neh ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am one of those weirdos who still does a large amt of his programming -- and the bulk of his code-reading -- on paper.

asciilifeform: >> '...when I look at Scheme programs that try to do more than trivial tasks, or at Scheme systems that try to give people a framework to work in, I get the "perl experience" -- heaps of ugly but useful hacks to get some short-term job done. seems to me that the flip side of the "only the most elegant are admitted" argument is that there is no lower bound on the ugliness of what is _not_ admitted, yet necessary to get there in pract

asciilifeform: some of diana_coman's lines are even longer than 120col

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 17:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point phf will implement a wordwrap ; which can be done for browser window.

asciilifeform: btw diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/longlines.jpg << esp in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763999 ☝︎

phf: ^ http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_ch4_rpng

phf: speaking of ssl everywhere, discovered this lulzy wontfix today, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436200

jpxe: ben_vulpes: There a reason the first site doesn't use SSL?

ben_vulpes: and familiarize yourself with v ( http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ), read logs for six months...

phf: ben_vulpes: http://rense.com/general6/ouch.htm, https://rape-axe.com/, http://www.sapiensbryan.com/femdefence-a-protection-against-rape/

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: happened. is in the logs.

phf: ben_vulpes: there's actually an american pyscho trilema review!

phf: ben_vulpes: you've not seen american psycho? :o

phf: ben_vulpes: oblig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hP6nOB1dc

BingoBoingo: Relatit to an earlier point http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#footnote_4_62816

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true

esthlos: mircea_popescu: wrt the alien problem, you're saying the complexity is actual?

deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: !!up mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't answer this, my ouijatron is broken...

asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's cosmography, the folx who banzai'd to avenge the chix , castrato ?

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true

a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 16:49 mircea_popescu: consider this major point : in ancient greece, people were depicted with small penii ; large ones were considered bestial, comedic and insulting.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 17:45 mircea_popescu: poor esthlos, he was just looking for comments, not for insanity from bearded hell.

a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:46 mircea_popescu: once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example,

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:20 mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it makes sense. nevertheless, epicycles were abolished. the gymnastiscs of roman arithmetic are no longer here. and so on.

deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: !!up mircea_popescu