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a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:01 mircea_popescu: in any case, here's the logic : the proximate cause of the failure of "computer science" to amount to 0 (not epsilon, 0) since its inception is strictly due to poor treatment of comments as 2nd class item in code.
mircea_popescu: who might you be jpx__
deedbot: jpx__ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up jpx__
scriba: Logged on 2018-01-05: [19:03:26] <mircea_popescu> as i say -- i see no way out here ; we'll end up with the v-code + blog-commentary ostrich-camel and god help us./
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 17:11 mircea_popescu: they had all sorts of (utterly nonsensical) "cars of the future", their features being that they were "warlike" (in a dysfunctional, anti-mechanicistic, looks-are-everything-and-hot-beats-cute girl pov) and that they had mechanisms exposed
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 07:03 mircea_popescu: other than the lovely "if you launched all pantsuit in outer space, do you expect seti would manage to find any ?" putdown, valuable lesson from naggum : inept bureaucrats / insufferable cucks / other "people themselves" try to barnacle their inept nonsense (in original, scheme) on pre-existing "brand" (as they perceive it ; in the original -- lisp) for the transparently transactional reason that this way they "get to" (as th
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 17:50 lobbes: In other incidental preguntas: mircea_popescu, can you recommend good "introductory" reading on the subject of thought classification? It seems like the obvious fundamental to improving my cognitive processes
asciilifeform: if there's anybody else who signed , but not currently visible in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt in appropriate spot -- plox to write in.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch3_shifts.vpatch.benvulpes.sig .
asciilifeform: i have a ch4 for ben_vulpes but not a ch3...
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes didja ever sign ch3 ??
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.benvulpes.sig , ty
ben_vulpes: > 2018-01-06_00:29:50.97891 REORGANIZE
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 07:13 mircea_popescu: o the fuck he is!!! ie, the world's heavyweight champion. ayer explained that he's the ex wykeham professor of logic, and since they're both pre-eminent in their respective fields, how about they indulge in discourse rather than intercourse. oddly enough tyson accepted, and naomi campbell slipped out -- apparently undamaged enough by the experience to actually do those not-even-terrible shots with madonna.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is nothing mechanically 'speshulcase' about it, the vtron has no dedicated execution path for it. it'sa patch like any other.
trinque: ben_vulpes: don't cloud the politics with facts!
asciilifeform: mod6's 'makefiles' was able to cleanly build on 'asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected' , without regrinding anything. i still fail to understand what would have been gained by forcing mod6 to ~manually~ regrind the entire history of entire fucking world in order to produce 'makefiles' ( and for the latter to consequently weigh a megabyte , instead of 10kb !!! )
ben_vulpes: i'm going to tap out, will wait for mircea_popescu to pour some more fuel on this one.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes and this is coarse error in pilotage. THIS, not the fact that v permits you.
ben_vulpes: the point that trinque is making is that you can change other files in such a way that ruins maxint_locks
asciilifeform: take for example http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected . in properly working v, it ONLY depends on db.cpp being a particular hash . and does NOT lock you into anything else being anything else in particular. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: think of it this way : EVERY time you edit ANYTHING, you created 'invalid' state, i.e. one that could never have been the result of a sequence of presses of previously-existing patches !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the only item required to be a hook on which a valid press hangs, is individual patch
asciilifeform: just like how, e.g., asciilifeform_and_now_we_have_eatblock coalesces mod6_fix_dumpblock_params and asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 04:52 mircea_popescu: trinque because it'll get a mess ; ben_vulpes it's just a counter. increments 1 from prev line. shall i do a sample pastebin ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun recall that this scheme was ever fleshed out
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why `int' for EOF and `Integer' for Sadness_Code ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is a winrar
asciilifeform: !A .0.0.0.0.0.0.0 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
asciilifeform: !A .0.0.0.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
asciilifeform: !A .0.3.0.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
asciilifeform: !A .4.3.0.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
asciilifeform: !A .4.3.6.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
asciilifeform: !A .4.3.6.0.FF.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
pehbot: ben_vulpes: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ABCD
ben_vulpes: !A .4.3.6.ABCD.FF.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L232 << for reference
asciilifeform: !A .4.3.6.ABCD.FF.0.1 ( ben_vulpes's solution goes here ) Q
asciilifeform: !!pehbot .4.3.6.ABCD.FF.0.1 ( ben_vulpes's solution goes here ) Q
asciilifeform: so let's hear ben_vulpes's answ
asciilifeform: i thought ben_vulpes was speaking of a soln to the branch thing
asciilifeform: point being, if you patch on an existing ffa_calc, it'll have to be reground
asciilifeform: so {[foo]}{[bar]} would then instead look like {[foo]}~{[bar]}_ grrrrrr ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf, ben_vulpes , mircea_popescu , et al ^
asciilifeform: otherwise , if we do not want the else-clause, we drop _ it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.
asciilifeform: and btw i gotta take back http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 -- in that i have nfi how to 'abolish the _' while making nested conditionals still work. ☝︎
asciilifeform: however the _ can be made to disappear, at the cost of an added moving part. i will ask ben_vulpes to draw this moving part, as exercise.
asciilifeform: this is an engineering tension, ben_vulpes ; i'll grant that the trailing _ is ugly. however it makes the mechanism simpler, all { are handled in exactly same way, and ditto all }
asciilifeform: !A .1{[foo]}{[bar]}_ Q
pehbot: ben_vulpes: foo
pehbot: ben_vulpes: foo
ben_vulpes: !A .1{[foo]}{[bar]}_
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes really hates typing '_' or wat
asciilifeform: !A .0{[foo]}{[bar]}_ Q
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hm ?
asciilifeform: what makes you think it's a bouncer, ben_vulpes
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764988 << good idea. << fwiw, i'll be working on this to ensure that the bug fix is correct. ☝︎
mod6: ok. asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, phf, all others interested, here's the orig thread (as ben_vulpes also found earlier): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/76gSk/?raw=true
trinque: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option << totally unrelated, pay no attention
asciilifeform: '... stack-based overflow in the function EkCheckCurrentCert. This function is called from TPM2_CreatePrimary with user controlled data - a DER encoded [6] endorsement key (EK) certificate stored in the NV storage....' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's an autogenned item, aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!
trinque: hey after mircea_popescu's various whallops on me about weed, I gave up daily caffeine even. ☟︎
asciilifeform: aaanyway gabriel_laddel knows how to do this experiment. i look forward to hearing result
trinque: left. ben_vulpes also left.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: tried training on it ? vs , say, on /dev/urandom
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: didja ever download the 1GB example FG bin ?
asciilifeform: i.e. what brings gabriel_laddel to #t ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what's yer medium-ter
trinque: gabriel_laddel: so where the fuck are these then.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: also if you have an rsa, post it plox
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: here's a shot : take this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760563 needleman-wunsch, and turn it into a standalone ( use sbcl's save-lisp-and-die knob, say ) difftron util. come up with own format. ☝︎
asciilifeform: at 25 asciilifeform unsuccessfully peddled an industrial automation linux+sbcl+proggy-in-a-crate actually quite reminiscent of gabriel_laddel's thing
trinque: gabriel_laddel: honestly why should anyone give a fuck to improve you.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: this is good to hear.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and call it what you want, but imho it'll be moar appreciated as linux distro, than to label 'lispm'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: do pop in, do speak
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~none of it, it's html, neh
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> logs save us from the "but i thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory. << i feel ya. if you wanna help me dig, that'd be awesome.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't at all disagree , re comments
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: !!up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu makes one -- i'll buy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rails -- have gauge. and spacetime itself appears to come with 'magic #s'.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 13:41 asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'best thing is never to have programmed at all' or how did socrates put it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764949 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 09:56 diana_coman: which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read them as text not as code-which-they-are-not)
asciilifeform: so ben_vulpes do you see a jump ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you tell me
asciilifeform: ( upstack : dma, interrupts, pipeline, instruction reorderer, 'hyperthreading', multiple buses, 'bridges' -- all are epicycles ( hey mircea_popescu ! ) from vonneumannism , where instructions 'push' (unrelated to stack concept) outputs, rather than 'pull' inputs as they oughta ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: expand ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~all archs with instruction-reordering and cache, are
mod6: my $tdir = get_homedir() . "/.gnupgtmp";
mod6: sub remove_tmpdir { my ($dir) = @_; `rm -rf $dir` if -d $dir;
mod6: sub make_tmpdir { my ($dir) = @_; `mkdir -p $dir && chmod 0700 $dir` if !-d $dir or die "$dir exists! $!";
mod6: and if you ^C the thing mid-way through the execution, you'll never hit remove_tmpdir
asciilifeform: mod6: what's make_tmpdir made of ?