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asciilifeform: Oct 11 15:48:50 <mircea_popescu> There's no drama like Bitcoin drama. The "will pirate make contact" storyline returns tomorrow and the new season of "will BFL deliver" starts in a couple of weeks. It's like reality TV without the ads. Which well-known Bitcoin business will suddenly fail next? Who should be voted off the libertarian island?
phf: asciilifeform: what's your timestamp for "There's no drama like Bitcoin drama." ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in what year was 'Oct 06 11:33:00 <PeterLambert> I guess there is no need for glbse trading funds without a glbse' on your machine ?
mircea_popescu: Oct 17 22:08:30 <asciilifeform> nubbins`: shitcoin was a crackpot proposal of mine (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988). << this is 2013.
phf: asciilifeform: were you on bouncer from the beginning?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what chan was this in ?
mod6: wow, the fortunes won, and lost (looking at this old stuff...)
mircea_popescu: yup. tis what it is.
phf: asciilifeform: oddly enough that's not in the log. perhaps if you upload your logs i can slice them in..
asciilifeform: oh hah turns out that i was wrong about when first spoke, also
mod6: haha, i think it was ya.
mod6: POP QUIZ: How much was the first MPEx fee after the beta period?
mircea_popescu goes to inspect.
phf: mircea_popescu: log that you gave me, goes apr 15, may 22, aug 10th
asciilifeform: Oct 06 11:29:23 * Now talking on #bitcoin-assets
asciilifeform: possibly tuned in and then immediately out.
asciilifeform: this pile consists only of what came out of the hose.
mircea_popescu: avid reader that you are
asciilifeform: nah it wouldn't be in that particular pile.
asciilifeform: 'there' in the sense of reading.
asciilifeform: i dug on my disk just now to try and recall when i ~tuned in~ and apparently it was much earlier, and i can't even recall why.
mircea_popescu: what did you mean, "were there" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feb.2 of 2013 was when asciilifeform first ~spoke~ there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the dates seem off or something's amiss. i see you feb 3rd 2013
asciilifeform: which is itching in my head, because i have nfi how i could have ~found~ it prior to the letter from hanbot
mod6: high-drama in those days.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i have jun 2011 - apr 2012 otc logs also, but by now really scraping the bottom. << these would be cool tho
asciilifeform goes to pull own log out of dusty pit
a111: Logged on 2013-02-02 19:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 re-doing that would be a worthy exercise
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-02#-142550 , http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-02#-142536 << lel, there must be a missing piece, did i really appear in the log before saying anything ☝︎☝︎
mod6: ok, so some results to the above: http://www.mod6.net/v-99994-trace2.txt ☟︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log-first-post?nick=mircea_popescu (that feature was requested by trinque)
asciilifeform: phf: is there an automagical way to query when $nick first appeared ?
mircea_popescu: phf but why the gap ?
phf: it was mostly an opportunity to cleanup very messy internal log keeping that involved multiple sliced in memory arrays..
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not sure, but the ancient log connects cleanly into where kako starts
mircea_popescu: i have jun 2011 - apr 2012 otc logs also, but by now really scraping the bottom.
mircea_popescu: what was the stats link ?
a111: Logged on 2012-04-13 11:00 `MBot: [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 2 x 0.99999 = 1.999980 BTC ]
mircea_popescu: i take it she came this time ?
mircea_popescu: but the machine has no mother to shit on it ; AND NO GOOD INSTINCTS. or any instincts at all.
mircea_popescu: yes, when i teach a 15 yo to fuck, she ~has good instincts~ about what's slutty and what's not ; and works to clear the shit her mother shat on her so the slut within can shine
mircea_popescu: "it has good instincts as to what's funny and what's not". really ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the thing is a flame, and it was not obvious to me either on 1st pass.
mircea_popescu: see, the man looked in the jaguar's eyes, and SAW a soul there. little bit of circularity.
mircea_popescu: ah. ok. anyway, it's funny, because compare this part : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588385 meets this part : "At this point, the robot is getting smarter as well, and participates in its own redesign." ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's the pl d00d, with the pirate tv station in the solidarity years, the antarctic expedition, etc
mircea_popescu: and wtf "today we are building machine intelligence" idiocy is this.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588693 << is this you ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: hm for some reason i thought we had autofallover on scriba ☟︎
mircea_popescu subscribes to the harem- usage explained in ch.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588683 << actually that's a perfectly fine meaning whatever he meant. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you mean you iterate through all the seals ? :D
mircea_popescu: now we know what it means when phf tells a girl he'll be 10-15 minutes.
phf: things have been too stable, so i'm moving it literate pascal
mircea_popescu: finally moving it to .net ?
phf: i'm about to upgrade btcbase, which in this case is an invasive procedure so bot's going to be down for a bit (15 minutes or so if everything goes well), after that there might be some bugs so feel free to yell at me
mircea_popescu: well, rename the file lol
mod6: mircea_popescu: this is a solid point for testing, let me give this a test and see how it goes. will report.
mircea_popescu: s V implementation, it is in no way obvious that the time cost of his learning the language combined with the risk that he misses details in the audit is a better resource expenditure than simply implementing the tool again in his language of choice."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this incidentally is a very cogent point you bring, "Multiple implementations of an ambiguous specification provide far more value than the "many eyes" mantra of open source advocates. An implementation in Python might burn the eyes of a Perl hacker, and the Perl be entirely inscrutable to a man who's never touched it before, and even were such a man to sit down and learn Python for the purpose of auditing another'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can easily simulate this by deleting a seal
mircea_popescu: mod6 i read through http://www.mod6.net/v-99994-trace.txt and indeed it seems right and proper vtronics. one q though : was there any patch not signed by asciilifeform interspersed in the flow ? because that's the only not tested case i think, if you have say a->b->c->d where a, c and d are signed by x. does it stop at a ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 19:01 phf: asciilifeform: these are basically three different solutions to the same problem of "how to allow more than one kind of vpatch". yours is mechanical, mine is an attempt to expand the mythos and mp's is cutting the gordian knot
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588544 << can you explain this mythos expand thing again ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: the most recent one of these to pop was the german thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: randos throw in pgp keys still, half dozen or so in a month typically
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/294C0DC51A456CD1069D56E7B298CC2FDA9D8CF641980590454BE9B6C7F8051C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1618...3777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.194.131.231 (ssh-rsa key from 203.194.131.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown HK)
asciilifeform: in other non-news, https://mjos.fi << possibly interesting d00d of the dan bernstein type
ben_vulpes: haw haw haw btc market cap > twitter market cap
ben_vulpes: aok, so 1 then?
phf: fwiw if shinohai can give me a state format, i could trivially produce a seen table for anyone pre split
phf: well, it probably keeps a state somewhere, but i mean since it got deployed, which was probably around the ba->tmsr
ben_vulpes: better to not offer that feature if that's how it works today, shinohai
asciilifeform: who the hell knows when it started running.
asciilifeform: we had this with at least 1 d00d who i respected (spandrel/'bloody shovel') ☟︎
ben_vulpes: what'd the repulic accrete this year, 2 new faces?
Framedragger: (mp suggested to invite him over, and here i am childishly fearing that he'll hate this place, mp will decide that he's not mp-complete/ready, and that's gonna be that. i know, sad.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the one with the pirate radio.
asciilifeform: aha it's the ceglowksi d00d!
asciilifeform: 'AI risk is string theory for computer programmers. It's fun to think about, interesting, and completely inaccessible to experiment given our current technology. You can build crystal palaces of thought, working from first principles, then climb up inside them and pull the ladder up behind you.' ☟︎
Framedragger: meanwhile, new talk from idlewords: http://idlewords.com/talks/superintelligence.htm ☟︎
Framedragger thanks ben_vulpes for the CL implementation
asciilifeform: on the other hand, if asciilifeform were to decide to speak ebcdic one day, we would have a problem talking.
asciilifeform: just as ben_vulpes has 0 particular reason to care how asciilifeform laid out his keyboard, or that it weighs 6kg
asciilifeform: that's what 'harem end' means -- that it literally does not matter how it works, except TO YOU
asciilifeform: (the seals and keys also must be public, naturally, but i am referring to the collective 'set' here)
asciilifeform: hypothetically we could live exactly the same way with NO published vtrons at all!
asciilifeform: the only necessarily public part, i will point out, is the vpatches
ben_vulpes: i did mistake that to mean "vs the public is pointed to as example vs. vs whose operations are private to the owner" ☟︎
asciilifeform: possibly my point re 'harem v' was ambiguous. what i wanted to say was that ~every~ vtron has a harem end and a forum end
ben_vulpes: and yes, thing has sharp edges, betrays exit codes for some unix processes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that genesis is mildly diddled from the earlier paste
asciilifeform downloaded it earlier today when ben_vulpes first posted, but not yet tested.
asciilifeform: ^ this is seriously neato , ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: i've heard of burning trees and i've heard of burning litres... but putting them together results in little more than a vw hippie wagon in my head.
pete_dushenski: "Burning tree liters" << pun o typo ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/mps-harem-level-black-russian/ << Trilema - MP's Harem Level Black Russian
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: please to s/being/behind in pencil piece as per ben_vulpes' appreciated astutery.
mircea_popescu: cunt is the one thing that's not running out.