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BingoBoingo: At this point, untraining the hands is likely to be a challenge
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 23:59 phf: what's kind of silly and i think mp made that point a while ago, that none of the manufacturers of that vintage attempted to do a swapable battery. a dual battery slot, or a smaller internal battery that would keep the thing powered for ~60 seconds it takes to switch the battery
asciilifeform: i ordered a sample recently , just for the hell of it.
asciilifeform would happily pay a coin or 2 for a sane lappy -- <1kg, readable panel, day of battery . but it dun exist.
asciilifeform: phf: at one time there were rumours of a ips panel that could be stuffed into x60 and had compatible connector/timings , but afaik it's just that, rumour, i was never able to get close to one
asciilifeform: phf: i have a massive lenovo tank lappy that takes 2 batts. but it was out of the question on acct of mass
asciilifeform: phf: thought about soldering a supercap in there
phf: what's kind of silly and i think mp made that point a while ago, that none of the manufacturers of that vintage attempted to do a swapable battery. a dual battery slot, or a smaller internal battery that would keep the thing powered for ~60 seconds it takes to switch the battery ☟︎
phf: i've traveled with it before, but yeah, i'd turn it off, plug it in somewhere, turn it on. c101pa on the other hand has an insane battery life: i've been running it in pure console mode, and it will last a day or two
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I might have seen it at the feria recently on a table that also had a Macbook Air...
asciilifeform: i had to actually use it as a battery-powered box on pizarro voyage, and it sucked
phf: right, i basically treat the battery as a ups, i.e. hold it long enough for me to move it from place to place
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 18:59 mod6: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks. Was thinking that maybe nicoleci would start with a simple small set of pre-canned responses, and also collect contact information. And during the call, any questions not covered by set of canned responses, can be written down and handed back to the forum or Co-chairs for answsering.
asciilifeform: phf: neato, lemme know if you need a hand
BingoBoingo: In still other news, Conner McDayofFailure lost a match in a his rules fight league. His opponent went on to apparently jump the cage and beat McDayofFail's corner while the victor's corner hopped in the cage and beat up on McDayofFail some more
BingoBoingo: At this point whether someone looks like they can throw arespectable punch is a pretty good heruistic for sorting white trump voters from terminal pantsuits cucks
mircea_popescu: dude not a single one of those schmucks looks like they could stand their ground.
BingoBoingo: Related: Can't make a fist? Want to punch Nazis? No Problem! http://archive.is/347IR
mircea_popescu: these people never fucking used a computer, have none of the habits of computer use, no implicit semantics, nada.
BingoBoingo: I mean 25 to 35 percent unemployment and the Banco Central is stuck with a klepto because "public employee"
BingoBoingo: A clinical disposition to continue stealing
BingoBoingo: "Este artículo lo puede ver en este link: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-a-sus-companeros-pero-el-bcu-no-la-destituyo-porque-devolvio-el-dinero-2018105212741 "
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, restitution's a powerful tool.
BingoBoingo: In other news from insanity land: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-a-sus-companeros-pero-el-bcu-no-la-destituyo-porque-devolvio-el-dinero-2018105212741
mod6: Beyond this, a list of answers to some obvious first questions can be added. Other questions not covered can be written down and sent to us for answering, emailing resposnes.
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform hanbot : Here's a stab at just the introduction part of the call-sheet: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IFdDG/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: mod6 a sorry, will get to it presently!
mod6: I'll send you the coins here in just a bit.
mod6: Also, unrelated to that... S.MG's UY3 invoice is still open (for september). Just a heads up - obviously no big worry or anything. Just saw that the S.MG statement is out there, didn't want ya to overlook that.
mod6: In a timely fashion of course, figure what, 48 hours? 72?
mod6: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks. Was thinking that maybe nicoleci would start with a simple small set of pre-canned responses, and also collect contact information. And during the call, any questions not covered by set of canned responses, can be written down and handed back to the forum or Co-chairs for answsering. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, "A Banksy was left in shreds before an shocked audience moments after it was auctioned off at Sotheby’s in London for a record $1.4 million. The British artist, whose identity is still unknown, timed his painting, Girl With Balloon, to self-destruct via a shredder hidden in the artwork’s frame."
mod6: If the idea is for nicoleci to go further and answer questions from persons herself, yeah, we probably aught to have a list of pre-canned responses.
mod6: mircea_popescu: That seems at least like a decent place to start; some sort of greeting and gathering of contact information.
asciilifeform: i suspect it's at least partially meat-powered shop : 'Please be advised that a sales (Account manager) will reach out to you at their earliest convenience .'
asciilifeform: latest update -- they ate asciilifeform's 17bux, but did not disgorge a form for choosing the # yet
mircea_popescu: mod6 asciilifeform do you want her to prepare a script or anything ? fixed greeting ?
mircea_popescu: this is a coffee, stan!
mircea_popescu: this is a coffeestan!
mircea_popescu: get the latter, why not. feel free to test it once on, also, give the girl a start.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859170 << that part of the discussion was about binary (the algo doesn't discriminate text or binary, but there's no support for binary creation in format), it was a panicked detour, that has been since resolved with "there's no binary in vpatch" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859095 << (important furtherance here : protocol as is being baked kinda removes all binary-ism from client tree, data to be received and cached as data rather than mangled into source tree as a sort of "divine cache" as currently practiced by ~all morons involved in gaming) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 20:03 asciilifeform: aha. and it should be possible to operate a cuntoo box with sporadic, or no, net pipe.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 19:53 trinque: also questionable whether there's such thing as a republican portage, or whether it all ought to be trashed for something gprbuild-based and with far less optionality.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what the kids who weren't good enough to hussle on the corner call themselves when they work slinging redditized Monsanto behind a counter
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858998 << as far as anyone knows, it's still ~experimental~ item anyway. not that it'd be nice for it to work, but really, expecting ? i ain't expecting it to. it's a wonder things like eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858794 worked, but i frankly was not expecting anything as lofty as "piece of hardware can be made to work" ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: As I await the board to approve the Pizarro report I bring a nugget from the research mines: "Just try to have a good time and work hard to find a better job. Budtending is nowhere land."
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly enuff, i was right in re the current phf-vdiff . observe : a) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZYgF/?raw=true << example of deleting a text file. in fact uses same deletion representation as ordinary gnudiff, where entire payload is quoted. b) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vl2Ca/?raw=true << attempt to represent deletion of 1MB from FG. result : same as in oldschool gnudiff.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the past half hour of chaos : how can it be simultaneously true that a) delivered item matches 3rd of april algo and b) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859041 ?! ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: right, all the contemplated extensions were supposed to be backwards compatible. the ancient format allows for a lot of necessary leeway
asciilifeform: file names are covered by the gpg seal of given patch, tho, so it isn't as if people can get away with blindly renaming items in a patch. so if taking all of mircea_popescu's algo but the hashed-names part, you have a usable algo.
mircea_popescu: and ~i~ should have written a blog article about it ? wtf would i put in it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever post a eulora-style full spec for the thing btw ?
mircea_popescu: but i am not currently in a position to take a day off and review poorly executed jobs in detail.
mircea_popescu: i can't currently conceive how the fuck he even MADE a vtools without it, because it was a root node and nothing works without it anyway (eg, i expect all the hashes he calculates are wrong)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 17:12 asciilifeform: tangentially on-thread, it still bothers asciilifeform that he was unable to represent the diff b/w mircea_popescu's bitcoin-0.5.3.tar.gz and the genesis as a vpatch ( neither orig v nor current is able to represent the deletion of binariolade... )
asciilifeform: possibly, i'ma have to rewalk the pertinent l0gz when i get a chance
phf: asciilifeform: i think the divergent points were a lot more elaborate than this particular reduction
asciilifeform: phf: recall, this is why asciilifeform earlier wanted a non-linecentric diff representation. then would not need special cases for clean ascii & bins.
asciilifeform: phf: creations & diffs do not presently have a standard format; if mircea_popescu says that we need it, will have to make one.
asciilifeform: phf: if you already have the coad for this, let's have it; otherwise i have a cl needleman-wunsch routine that i will adaize.
phf: format breaks only in a sense that gnu patch won't press it. current vpatches that don't delete/rename (since the feature is not there) will never the less work with any future changes to vtools
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit. let all format breakingds HAPPEN AT ONCE
asciilifeform: or is this a perpetuum mobile
phf: asciilifeform is right, i dropped the ball on it. i prototyped it right after we had a conversation, and then i had the four months of fiat work, and i forgot that it was on my plate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly enuff, i was right in re the current phf-vdiff . observe : a) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZYgF/?raw=true << example of deleting a text file. in fact uses same deletion representation as ordinary gnudiff, where entire payload is quoted. b) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vl2Ca/?raw=true << attempt to represent deletion of 1MB from FG. result : same as in oldschool gnudiff. ☟︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform's pet volunteered a similar/popular engl example, 'the hookers hitler and stalin walked into the room'
asciilifeform: aha. and it should be possible to operate a cuntoo box with sporadic, or no, net pipe. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( my primary objection to a hypothetical hybrid, is that i often do work on boxes with no nic, and imho builder must not rely on connectivity )
asciilifeform: trinque: i also have visions of integration with gossipd, where the thing, given a wot key, will know how to ask owner for $source item. but this is yet a bridge too far.
trinque: just a bridge off the infected island
trinque: also questionable whether there's such thing as a republican portage, or whether it all ought to be trashed for something gprbuild-based and with far less optionality. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but even if not changes, but minor refinements, e.g. the graph plotter -- n00bs will end up with old vtron, and then gotta press a newer
asciilifeform: if it really is a certainty that the format will never change again -- then yes
asciilifeform: keeping 2 separate forms of a nominally-identical proggy in sync, is a pain
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not having to have a separate signed-tar distribution, really is all.
asciilifeform: ( and i suspect it'll be a while before e.g. cuntoo is distributed entirely without gnupatch )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect idea was 'make him manually gpg --verify ... and then press by hand-gnupatch a la pre-v trb, better than signed tar'. but i'ma let phf clarify.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 16:40 phf: apropos i want to move vtools to keccak, but i'm not sure what's the best way to solve bootstrapping problem. a signed tar archive of a press that can be used to bootstrap or manual press instructions using gnu patch?
asciilifeform: ( either its deletion, or its insertion -- therefore impossible to encode the contents of that tar, as a genesis )
asciilifeform: tangentially on-thread, it still bothers asciilifeform that he was unable to represent the diff b/w mircea_popescu's bitcoin-0.5.3.tar.gz and the genesis as a vpatch ( neither orig v nor current is able to represent the deletion of binariolade... ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: cuz meat is a poor substitute for diff util. ( and diff util, in turn, is poor substitute for continuous v-sequence. )
asciilifeform: ( phf's item, in particular, incorporates a heavily cut but still pretty crufty ball of gnu c. this is not a stab at phf , but imho is a pertinent fact re 'cost of reading' )
asciilifeform: so from that pov , if it is possible to inexpensively avoid the situation, it is a win.
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt re-reading his vtools is such a waste ; but anyways!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not have a stable of slaves to manually diff things. and so if at any point it appears to be necessary to hand-diff something, he is stuck doing it with own hands, and on that day, week, month, nuffing else of any use will come off conveyor.
mircea_popescu: i frankly don't see much problem with it either way ; but i will say that your lie-detectors suffer from a certain naivite, whereby they're tuned to catch reality lying (ie, something that has no reflexivity, will lie regardless of your apparatus). this is not so useful with people.
asciilifeform: rereading is great, but it isn't cost-free. if i sit down to reread trb , i'ma have to come back in a ~year
asciilifeform: simple : that if i find that it doesn't work quite same as previous, i nao have to consider hypothesis that phf made a mistake.
mircea_popescu: so -- what exactly is lost if phf just signs and publishes a new tree ?
mircea_popescu: and you want to build a State around protecting him thusly from himself ?
asciilifeform: phf can make mistake and sign a broken piece, just as asciilifeform on at least 1 occasion did
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a mechanically verifiable fact, when verifiable trivially, is superior to promise from anybody.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that you suspect he might be trustworthy in general, but a liar as to that specific narrowly construed topic ?
mircea_popescu: ie, that there's a relationship between "old" and "new" is a tenuous point, if by relationship is meant more than "phf wrote"
mircea_popescu: but phf, who is the author of the thing, did not in fact lose his head and arm by the process of having released the "original" ie sha version. he can just as much authorship a "new" ie, keccak version. and it'll be EXACTLY as much a genesis as that was, in ALL respects.
asciilifeform: but also gotta have a tar, there is no reason to force newcomers to set up ancient v prior to getting hold of the current.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc phf previously had a thing that pressed with old v, to create the new. imho this is proper.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta disagree re 'nothing starts as it', there is a history, and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851660 is a thing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i frankly do not perceive we have a bootstrapping problem. bootstrapping occurs when you have to turn a primitive into an ulterior -- there is such a thing as a bootstrapping problem of the fetus into adulthood because all adults start as foetii.