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asciilifeform: moar so than winblows, at any rate. 'nextstep' was, at any rate, architected from the ground
mircea_popescu: not as productively, yes, not for the end user, at any rate, but there never was a rule that intelligence be benevolent.
mircea_popescu: more so, i dare say, than the lisp machine ever was.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you miss that very point. it is not "somewhat like", it is exactly and precisely like the thing it is.
asciilifeform: recall the solrodar experiment.
asciilifeform: thing caught on not strictly because crapple et al pushed it, but because genuinely modular. even though it sucks in almost every other respect.
mircea_popescu: which is NOT a random string, nor the result of a markov process, run on dry sand or wet protein.
mircea_popescu: t you consider the limitations of statically linking very carefully, and consider your customer and their needs, plus the long-term support you will need to provide."
asciilifeform: i dun see this as a necessary hypothesis. i dare say that if i had to write a c compiler, it would end up looking somewhat more like llvm than gcc.
mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and thus llvm was born.
mircea_popescu: and then thought abvout it, and then came up with a model for a world which includes gcc, and then ran simulations of that world and evaluated which moves best serve a specified interest.
asciilifeform: phf: 'impoverished' os is a plus from this pov
mircea_popescu: someone, or for the sake of rigor, "someone", a tom knight equivalent, sat down and read all of gcc, slowly, loaded it in head. i do not mean, "one version". i mean ALL of gcc, like i know words in the sense of who is their mother and their father and the fine degree derivatives in all trees in ten languages. all of gcc.
asciilifeform: phf: correct, it does not. whereas win95 proggies typically still run
phf: windows for a longest time had a very stable abi, as per "you can run windows 95 programs still!1", where's i suspect mac os x probably doesn't. it's the same problem on openbsd, sure you can static link, but you will have to recompile after the next release.
mircea_popescu: you are going to examine the glue holding labels to bottles now ?
mircea_popescu: llvm is, from a gnoseologic point of view, a superset of gcc, the upper node.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to say it again : llvm is not "a competitor" for gcc. llvm was written quite exactly with full knowledge of gcc in mind. you know they fully understand how gcc works, and i don't mean on the first order, but on the last, BECAUSE of little signs like these.
asciilifeform: i dunno that either fit anything at all in head
mircea_popescu: this being the difference between a technology company like apple and a media company like yahoo, aka microsoft : the former actually fit gcc / their erstwhile competition in head. the latter just blather on in the hopes the holy paper clip will help with the printing press.
asciilifeform: notably the machine from this example is a mac with 100%-working gnat (on gcc 4.xx)
phf: we briefly exploerd this fun fact back when static linking became a thing (with bitcoind)
asciilifeform: (found this gem when testing an otherwise 100%-portable gnat makefile)
mircea_popescu: sure. they know how to do it ; llvm is not "a competitor" for gcc, the notion that someone could "hold out" is nonsense. llvm was written quite exactly with full knowledge of gcc in mind.
asciilifeform: this btw on the libc level.
mircea_popescu: hurr. "if we want to use the anal orifice later on and you linked something it may give it away. use this lube.'
asciilifeform: ur customer and their needs, plus the long-term support you will need to provide.'
asciilifeform: 'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend that you consider the limitations of statically linking very carefully, and consider yo
mircea_popescu: i don't know how new they are. seem pretty well formed.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-in-spite-of-all-that/ << Trilema - Disgrace - In spite of all that
shinohai: Also, blaze new paths this New Year: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1AvHb8WgAEVxjT.jpg
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tUG5b/?raw=true 2016 shitcoin roundup
mircea_popescu: of course i have the tools. my existence is not limited or in any way described by the acts of idiots.
mircea_popescu: the point, however, is that before i will use the tools, i'd rather parlay with the idiots as if they were, somehow, people.
shinohai: I think /ignore *!*@freenode/staff/* NOTICE works as well
shinohai: mircea_popescu: You can unset those with /umode -w
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-katy-is-coaxed/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Katy is coaxed
mircea_popescu: you should see that channel, it's like camwhores' chatrooms exactly.
mircea_popescu: but do you suppose christel feels the need to ANSWER ? no, he'll just speak. because hey, we're all on fucking tv over here.
mircea_popescu in #freenode ; <mircea_popescu> christel is there some manner to opt out of the cutesy/pointless global notices ? or otherwise out of these global notices altogether ?
asciilifeform: knight, in case anyone did not know, designed and built the original lispm.
mircea_popescu: reading tom knight about lispm fills me with rage.
Framedragger: (actually, i'm sure you've considered all this, so sorry for assuming you may not have)
Framedragger: btw asciilifeform, if you want to be even more sure that no postgres data is lost while being written during power failure, you probably need to disable disk controller and disk drive caches, if at all possible. but maybe you've done this.. as per https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/wal-reliability.html
trinque: damn, I was born that year
Framedragger: but they expanded my cell's volume so i have room to walk around now
trinque: > thanks to bill for increasing my swap space
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 04:50 asciilifeform: 'The ability to limit concurrent coredumps allows dumping core to be safely enabled in these situations without affecting responsiveness of the system as a whole. I have several servers running with this patch applied (actually backported to v2.6.26) and it has allowed me to deal successfully with the situation described above.'
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594793 << wow, that's retarded 2000 ☝︎
Framedragger: that being said, confused.com re. this case.
Framedragger: probably a useful piece of code to have anyway; actual tests for proper maintenance. :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 04:43 asciilifeform: this would of course mean that Framedragger's set contained massive dupeage somehow.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594781 << hmm. what i could do is, check that all generated gpg keys have the right e and N (by comparing to the e,N,IP CSVs that i fully trust); to make sure that i didn't mess up the gpg-generation thing. i don't think it'd be really possible, and i had done some manual checks before, but maybe worth to write an automated full-on test. ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-before-they-set-off/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Before they set off
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-lucy-returns/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Lucy returns
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 03:26 asciilifeform: and where was this pop when i first ran 8ball
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594446 <<< i'm confused, isn't the 8-ball a set of factors that you multiplied into the running product, and for which 're-running' makes little sense, as being already present in the global factors product? ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-three-men-are-coming/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Three men are coming
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 22:18 asciilifeform: historically accurate to the point of wtf -- even radio controls (what good are they in a sim?) are there.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1594228 <<< protip for asciilifeform, if it actually gets off the ground, it's not a sim!11 ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-are-they-all-going-to-die/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Are they all going to die
asciilifeform: every time.
asciilifeform: every time! that i think 'what new idiocy could possibly be inside'
trinque: the linux combustion engine, explodes 300 times per second
asciilifeform: this is the last time i permit a linux kernel to be used on my watch that i did not with own hands build.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand. you're supposed to know when you cause core dumps and just work around it.
asciilifeform: 'too many is as good as none, so let's then give'im none'
asciilifeform: 'because when asciilifeform enables coredumps, surely what he MEANT to do is to ENABLE EXCEPT IF TOO MANY'
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
asciilifeform: on the box.
asciilifeform: because in their cockroach universe, THIS MAKES SENSE
asciilifeform: penny in the fusebox.
asciilifeform: 'The ability to limit concurrent coredumps allows dumping core to be safely enabled in these situations without affecting responsiveness of the system as a whole. I have several servers running with this patch applied (actually backported to v2.6.26) and it has allowed me to deal successfully with the situation described above.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1241453 << burn them all.
asciilifeform: because FuckHead-Linux decided that it is somehow ok to 'skipped coredump'
asciilifeform: wtf is this, and why does it exist.
asciilifeform: turns out my log is full of these.
asciilifeform: this would of course mean that Framedragger's set contained massive dupeage somehow. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one way this is possible, by my reckoning, is if the deduplication somehow failed.
mircea_popescu: the odds of hundreds, if not thousands, of composite (with two, or more, prime factors) being also the factors of other moduli seem slim./
asciilifeform: to complicate matters, there were a handful of jokers who made prime moduli.
asciilifeform: btw this is not wholly trivial q
asciilifeform: ty trinque
trinque: turned off the hose.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/34F88784CBE3A1C9FE5FC15F8FF3E193F70A1E08FE7611EC5614D071F848BBAD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1575...4727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.164.4.178 (ssh-rsa key from 213.164.4.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.a-trust.at. AT 9)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29BCE77830F31D7147566D11AC472C39210058DCFF16B3C435F1FD540AA3FF90 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 6562...0209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.174.242.5 (ssh-rsa key from 207.174.242.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (207-174-242-5.flrvmi.fnw.us. US MI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/421E33DCF67894D972603FC79EAB24F85AB3BF76D9BCE620B71486CDFFFDE94F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2492...1413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.252.19.17 (ssh-rsa key from 46.252.19.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D207B241AE8EC0B9AF9695CF31A1BA93683EA9E7E2A3ABF8766FBD55796D115 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 6688...3573 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.182.65.209 (ssh-rsa key from 95.182.65.209 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (209-65-182-95.fatum.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9788B58E7FF75CC02B4FA75E416C1E5267F7C806DE748983B0753E8D3868E504 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 7111...6027 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.95.55.14 (ssh-rsa key from 65.95.55.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (altoon4123w-lp140-02-65-95-55-14.dsl.bell.ca. CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6941C19BD0F3FFF7147B0BAB84ABC93C087651393DD884F19145F0B73131E6DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1250...9391 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.59.80.2 (ssh-rsa key from 207.59.80.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
mircea_popescu: give the man some space to figure out wtf happened ; if it turns out they're valid we can always put them in later.
mircea_popescu: trinque can you cut it off temporarily ?
asciilifeform: i'd rather print 300 retractions than 3000.
asciilifeform: as soon as this batch fully digests, i'ma switch off the werker until further notice. could be couplea days.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D5696CA0B9A18CB46319C6D58D350FF80D664EC45619F0CCECC7345448D54595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2492...8161 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '185.11.41.7 (ssh-rsa key from 185.11.41.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CY)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4455C0DBD97540B19B8D0B3D5925938032BE1A585ADF0EBEA120303B6DFDA942 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8856...6959 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.180.54.120 (ssh-rsa key from 189.180.54.120 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (dsl-189-180-54-120-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx. MX)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23E05826D71DC12DE2ADFE11A0B3629995F97F72A8CF46C48C0426546661D1A7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9635821971009761243104423549858091825936312697605468130949556778819632184859273876965675589494714326657030464545433189402048155680850251483082414123971609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kazuyuki IENAGA <ienaga@jsys.co.jp>; '
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D920DB12C5F2846F07CB13F9165655F5C2147A22AB97EC0FD717502C8AC1E36 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 7308...2943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.231.13.179 (ssh-rsa key from 46.231.13.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB KHL ENG)