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phf: i'm
treating it as an avocation, so i'm resigned
to glacier speeds
that all
these people require
phf: i have a second
trip scheduled for second week of march
to finish
the process
phf: right, i
think i was going
to source it for completeness, but never bothered because of abstract.
phf: (he i
think published another paper on
the subject of making lisp cpus, but with smbx as his @)
phf: well, shrobe went on
to work at smbx, and used
the evolution of
the same stack
to make an ivory. i wouldn't be surprised
that's where
the licensing went
phf: because ultimately chip was manufactured out of DPL files (described in aim-598)
the whole deflayout/defregtype/defconst
thing. i haven't seen ~that~ published anywhere
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you want your code
to run on every new message?
ben_vulpes: i'm down for scarification, but only
the high-entropy kind
that comes of abrading self against road
mircea_popescu: "hey, wanna see my
tattoo ?" "o wow, it looks like you did it yourself!"
mircea_popescu: phf and
the effect is especially negative when
the girl overdoes
the make-up lines, as some girls do.
phf: they always look like somebody laid paint
too
thick while painting a metal shed
ben_vulpes: aside from bespeaking poverty of
taste and pocket?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, /me is not a great fan of
tattoos, by which i mean
the meaningless optional bs, not
the actual
tribal/prison stuff. however, from a purely aesthetic perspective, isn't
there something fundamentally wrong with
the blocky ones (ie,
the ones with large monocolor chunks) ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah,
that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and
the dark side still being
the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant
the album but both work well in
this instance..) :)
☟︎ ben_vulpes: howl at
the blood moon or something i have no iea
phf: asciilifeform: because i have a paper by shrobe from 1982 vlsi conference (i could only find a hardcopy, been meaning
to scan it),
that explicitly says
that data path generator was written for mit cadr, and
that it opts
the DPL code out of a gui environment. i haven't seen complete listing for DPL for
the cpu either.
mircea_popescu: not like you can't SEE
the whole sphere, and
the dark part is dim but visible.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i "really got it" coupla nights ago, out walking, splendid full moon with abendstar in opposition. and it was SO OBVIOUSLY a fucking planet, lit by
the star in part
that i really had nfi what people had been doing prior. it's fucking obvious omg!
mircea_popescu: correctly modelling "what would happen
to sun if chunk of lead hit it" is more of a "learn qm exercise"
than most resources available.
mircea_popescu: into
the sun (which ideally should be done "safely", ie, perpendicular
to planetary plane and away from earth-at-the-time, it... moderates it! so
the sun cools. which is significant. story goes on.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of canticle : anyone looking
to write a sf piece in
the a c clarke vein willing
to model what'd happen if a lead comet
the size of ceres showed up on a slow orbit ? at first, comet observed somewhere past kuipier belt, it's slow and dim.
then, is it a comet or an asteroid ?
then, measurements indicate it's much
too dense.
then, in
timescales ever narrowing, its orbit
turns out
to be unsafe.
then, as it collapses
Framedragger: iirc same evening included me "really getting" dark side of
the moon, "like really getting it you know?"; but eh, it was beautiful so can't complain.
Framedragger: luckily enough i realized i was on hash before i could quickly set up a blog in haskell and start writing stupid words about
the singularity
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:15 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598258 << you know
those guys
that periodically stop by lisper venues, and
they don't really program, but
they want
to use LISP
to build an AI, because metacircularity of code is data is giving
them mystical visions..?
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598383 << reminds me of how i first chanced upon lisp. i was eighteen, more pretentious
than now, and had eaten my first hashcake half an hour ago. i was reading esr, jumped
to
topic of lisp and homoiconicity, and was like... d0000d.
this is how you penetrate
the universe. knowwhatimsayin.
☝︎☟︎ phf: are you
talking about aim-514?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:
the 'lisp
trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of
the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings,
the bulk of actual
technology needed
to recreate probably somewhere on a
TAPE. i don't know where you got
that mask generator runs on scheme83.
the entire production stack was for mit cadr
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: you're really better off letting
them sort out
their food
themselves.
ben_vulpes: trainflake nice missed
that on
the first pass
ben_vulpes: lol omfg rescue dog food from child, only
to be blessed by cries of anger when dog
takes banana from child
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:32 asciilifeform:
trinque: eh he's a veeery speshul
trainflake, managed
to read (if one is
to believe) my compleateworx, and learn 0
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598258 << you know
those guys
that periodically stop by lisper venues, and
they don't really program, but
they want
to use LISP
to build an AI, because metacircularity of code is data is giving
them mystical visions..?
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: (i would like
to
thank
the academy,
the harem sluts, and phf / ben_vulpes discussions for inspiring me
to come
this far!)
mircea_popescu: this exercise promises in any case
to be hopefully one of many in a new
trend : $item for extremely intelligent people.
trinque: deploying other people's code into a logbot service sounds pretty UCI
to me
mircea_popescu: ill go harvesting parantheses in
the meanwhile so i have a few stacks
trinque: I can give it some
time next week
trinque: ben_vulpes: so sounds like we should still consider doing
the patch for raw messages, such
that we don't have
to build
this atop out-of-date logbot-service
mircea_popescu: best i can
tell
the
two aren't blocking each other in any way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the idea is not without merit ; but i was gonna
try an interactive slut.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so
therefore considering
that you don't have
to rewrite
trinque's bot nor is a vps more
than a few bux a month, dja got a counteroffer ? :D
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean
to say "if it gets mircea_popescu
to write and
think in lisp its a worthwhile use of lines"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see,
the sentiment is mutual - i want mine
to eat you lot.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah
the idea is, bot will attempt
to learn from conversation. with, eg, you.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd rather read your experiments in lisp
than php
trinque: and you'd extend
that class for
this
mircea_popescu: subquestion : does
teh esteemed lordship find itself inclined
to
tolerate
the exercise ?
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: what I do need
to do is release logbot-service.genesis
mircea_popescu: nice. so as an example, my first
task would be
to figure out how
to instruct it
to respond
to messages only if
there've been less
than 12 lines spoken
the past 15 minutes.
that sort of
thing.
trinque: well, doesn't parse.
those are still privmsg iirc
mircea_popescu: ah.
the way i was
thinking
this'd work would be :
the bot answers
to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with
the content of
the file.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mhm. it's
the ACTION lines
that it doesn't catch.
trinque: what it doesn't log is every protocol line
that goes
to/fro; it logs parsed message lines only
trinque: dunno if
that's needed for
this
ben_vulpes: currently
trinquebot only logs vanilla messages in its channels
ben_vulpes: let's say 2 btc, and
that'll cover
the patch
to record all protocol lines as well
mircea_popescu: how much for a year's worth of hosting it +
the occasional reboot ?
mircea_popescu: great opportunity for me
to learn / everyone
to lol at my learning lisp!
ben_vulpes: trinque: any action on recording all message lines or is
that a patch i should cook?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing
to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface
that can read messages
to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have
to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
trinque: then
the failure of outer specification makes
the inner nigh meaningless
mircea_popescu: it does not specify it in
the sane sense. but his contention is not baseless.
trinque: and
that lack leads directly
to
the present day diaspora, and
the ghettos, on other systems
trinque: it could be said
that insofar as
the CL standard does not specify a machine, it is drastically incomplete
mircea_popescu: and let's pass in silence over
the circumstance
that i'd have never figured
that out if i kept blogging by itself.
mircea_popescu: in practice i come
to understand now, after
thousands of articles / years blogging,
that in fact
the frontend
to a blog should really be as close
to a... vdiff patch! as practicable.
trinque: ^ aka
took me a minute
to find g_l's reply
to me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "if ch approximates an immutable datastruct over
the interval lastvisit - currentvisit".
mircea_popescu: (it is, believe it or not, entirely not evident from
the activity of "lisp people" whether it does or does not exist,
the object of
their work/preoccupation.)