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mircea_popescu: truth be
told we're so far into it i can't say in confidence i even fully understand what masamune ~actually is~.
this is a sad state of affairs.
mircea_popescu: might be ~same as
the above musl, i suppose on a curated gentoo.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:26 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how
to do
this USB replication
things, I aim
to see every
that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune +
the ability
to replicate it.
mircea_popescu: kinda neat concept
this, incidentally : "license is hereby granted
to run
this software
to and only
to
those parties who have been wot-rated by $author".
mircea_popescu: now, it may be
that you don't know how
to do
this, but
that's easier
to solve
than any other problem.
gabriel_laddel_p: Sigh. Altman is probably going
to end up with a version in his hands before alf.
mircea_popescu: then alf can run
the
thing ; and altman can't run
the
thing, both because he doesn't know how
to and because he doesn't see any point in
trying.
mircea_popescu: anyway, entertaining
the
thing as you describe at face value : if indeed your concern is a sort of bastardization as conceptually constructible from
the foregoing,
then
the correct move is
to build your masamune on musl and attach a license
that forbids
the empire (such as for instance
the
trb license ; or else one stating
to use must be in l2, or rated by you, or any such
thing).
this will mostly protect you both
technically
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: I contend
that
the current "lisp community" is a bunch of fundamentally broken people, and
that symbolics was a bunch of fundamentally broken people, but
they're broken in different ways.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p well, let's put it
this way - not a page of symbolics supposedly superb documentation did make it
to republican coffers after all.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: idk about
that. Symbolics was a different beast with a different set of problems. But
then again, I don't know
that much about
the people involved with Symbolics, so perhaps you are right.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:10 gabriel_laddel_p:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598292 <
this is _the_ problem in
the lisp world. Each and every lisper painfully recreates a sorta-similar environment over
the course of years.
davout: some peeps i meet irl but don't have a mapping
to a nick
davout: a bot
that could randomly go on strike i guess
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:30 gabriel_laddel_p: davout: you've never wanted
to do anything even remotely similar
to what I aim
to do.
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
davout: gabriel_laddel_p: i have no interested in
taking part in anything for which whatever idiots do or do not do has any kind of bearing
mircea_popescu: phf illuminated schematics with
tits seems like a winning strat.
gabriel_laddel_p: if you want
to discuss
this in more detail, find me a blog I can post comments on without people bitching
gabriel_laddel_p: davout: you've never wanted
to do anything even remotely similar
to what I aim
to do.
☟︎ davout: i really don't get
this fascination with whatever idiots will do
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:39
trinque: aha, or your or my gentoo recipes
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform:
trinque: you can
tell
that d00d
took 0
trouble
to read, e.g.,
the pogo archives
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, will encrypt a copy
to
the lordship and drop it in here
today.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: yeah, but FUCKGOATS has _lots_ of
text, whereas
this is a video.
gabriel_laddel_p: Thus,
they can sell Masamune and pocket whatever
they're able
to make.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:06 mircea_popescu: subquestion : does
teh esteemed lordship find itself inclined
to
tolerate
the exercise ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how
to do
this USB replication
things, I aim
to see every
that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune +
the ability
to replicate it.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: I want every penny of commercial lisp code
to be directed
to republican pockets.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: an ubuntu+sbcl+clim "masamune" gets released and promoted by
the whole "lisp community"
that lacks sources, macsyma, MJRCALC, MGL, etc
gabriel_laddel_p: That being said, I should drop a version in here for
the lordship
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm doing my best
to keep it from
the hands of idiots.
gabriel_laddel_p: ^ Roughly my feelings on
the matter, however CLIM is sufficiently enjoyable
to distract from
this.
gabriel_laddel_p: No? Because now Masamune exists and we can begin
to address
the other issues (such as x86) like adults?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up
to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in
the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is
there any merit
to
the nude assertion
that "lisp is a shittier
thing
than
trb, because
trb at least has SOMETHING
that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ?
phf: i
think we should draw a line at illuminated schematics
though
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:03 phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way
to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity
that i will be able
to restart
their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming
to me and going "we want
to build a personal computer
that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want
to be able
to do it from first principles. at worst
there's going
to be some
ben_vulpes: well having failed
to extract
the battery from
the dead car i must now do
the aforementioned food run but also
to get a 10mm deep socket
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform:
trinque: you can
tell
that d00d
took 0
trouble
to read, e.g.,
the pogo archives
ben_vulpes: confuse ye not
the promiscuous devices with
the chaste devices or what was it
Framedragger: (i don't really see why you'd have
to
trust
this intermediary node,
though)
netmonk: gabriel_laddel_p: you can
touch
the server if you can fly
to paris
Framedragger: admirable approach, but not very pragmatic.
then again, pragmatic
things can lead
to bad places,
too...
gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger:
thanks, but pass. I don't deal with computers I cannot physically
touch.
Framedragger: whatyougonnado.jpg ; fwiw gabriel_laddel_p i'd lend you a vps for a month for free (i wouldn't have access
to it) just so
that you'd stop pissing people off, but your call of course
phf: historical record of some of
the systems decisions symbolics made,
that somebody else might use.
phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way
to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity
that i will be able
to restart
their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming
to me and going "we want
to build a personal computer
that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want
to be able
to do it from first principles. at worst
there's going
to be some
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:43 asciilifeform: but notice, he won't, like vampire avoids
the sun
ben_vulpes: i gotta do a food and battery run before
these roads ice over, bbl
mircea_popescu: phf can you explain briefly and in short simple words management may be suspected of comprehending why do you
think
this is worth doing ?
phf: well, result of my work will be basically one step removed from useless :} no need for a logic analyzer, but still a gargantuan effort
to make sense of architecture. smbx has opposite problem from scheme stack.
there's
the DPL, but
there aren't any AIM-514 equivalents
phf: problem is
that our man never really had
the code (certainly no "rights"
to code), since i
think
that
the asset split went something like "you get
the body and you get
the soul", and
the guy with
the soul is keeping it in his garage
to "turn into millions one day one i retire" sort of
thing.