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mircea_popescu: how could that POSSIBLY be an argument against.
mircea_popescu: and if they're mitm'd, it's even more valuable, now we get a collection of strange zips.
mircea_popescu: not everything has or needs a deeply philosophical answer. archive bot should save the urls and get the zips. big whoop.
asciilifeform: well today, for instance, it WASN'T there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it beats it in that it's there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599001 << no dude, this suffers of apocriphal bible issue by now. point was that outsider ~can't distinguish~ between "different" identities in the sense of bit-different or cock-different. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but it remains that relying on that one rando's box to create the zips, is a dubious thing.
mircea_popescu: well ok, but what's that do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because my working hypothesis was that my copy came from mitmtron.
mircea_popescu: but why would i/anyone do that ?
phf: crapple uses open source code for unzipping. where's i believe pkware eventually open sourced their code too. so now there's two competing versions floating around.
asciilifeform: link to log plox ?
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu or anybody else get MY hashed zip to unpack ?
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall tracing the problem towards unzip version but giving up under barrage of strange.
asciilifeform: and fwiw the turd wouldn't unzip on winblowz or crapple either.
asciilifeform: which one didja use phf -- the msdos one ?!
phf: i was playing along. i think could unpack it with pkzip, but not the open source equivalent
asciilifeform: this aside, the most recent thread began with archive.is being ~down~
asciilifeform: i dun recall anybody but mircea_popescu trying the replicate
asciilifeform: forgot the magic-zip thread ?
asciilifeform: got garbage about half the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i tried, recall, this.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << just download the fucking archive.is archive zips already omygerd. ☝︎☟︎
phf: fwiw i wouldn't say they are "trapped". as i don't think they care about anything else. they don't keep up to date with microsoft modern and bestest. they still release ms stack software with xp compatibility for example
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:56 asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598946 << i thought that was more of a south korea / banking driven thing, not so much japan ☝︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p didja ever write down publicly what it was precisely that you did to clim ~other~ than to carve your initials into its flesh ?
asciilifeform: and since he's asleep i will predict what he would say, 'stfu, the perfume smells great, even if it is exactly same one you smelled decade ago without me, and i'll get the bubonic plague underneath out later!'
asciilifeform: (i will admit that until watching the film i held out hope that g_l ACTUALLY fixed the thing. but turns out -- no dice.)
BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i can still WATCH the fucking scrollbars draw.
asciilifeform: (and yes i watched the film)
asciilifeform: it is especially entertaining to asciilifeform that this was brought up, because in so far as i can tell the entire masamune thing is precisely an instance thereof, in its domain.
asciilifeform: for non-usaschwitzinmates, who have nfi what gabriel_laddel_p was on about: the medieval idiocy of hygiene-via-parfumery is alive and well in this monkeystan
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:36 gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, does anyone know of an intelligent person who uses air fresheners/fabreez?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598772 << Cleanliness is the better than coverup, but OMG PineSol's active component is turpentine! Think of the wonder VOCs! ☝︎
phf: you just put the lisp code in the same folder
phf: can make vpatches that generate vpatches! it's metacircular
ben_vulpes: hah fml my v implementation presses into the same directory as that as which contains the patches and seals
ben_vulpes: battery tie down rod simply failed under torsional load: "that...didn't feel like the rust giving way. jesus /fuck/."
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: no breaker bar necessary, these were 10mm fuckers
BingoBoingo: And turdscreen is plugged into fuel injection computer
asciilifeform: the z80 in my old toyota -- worked for 20+ yrs and probably worx even nao
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for passenger car engine control computer for fuel injection is nearly necessary due to the ethanol dabacle
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 22:18 ben_vulpes: even the mighty pblaster could not free them
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598655 << Oh my? And what happened when you hit breaker bar with mallet? That's when things revealed their defects? ☝︎
asciilifeform: some of the recent machines are rumoured to contain winblowz, even.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?! ☟︎
asciilifeform: (at least the thing wasn't a 'fly by wire', it remains physically possible to steer sans hydraulics, but the sudden wtf may well get you crunching under oncoming traffic or off a bridge )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 21:26 gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598613 << Until you get a mailing address a better question is "What are the dealbreakers I should look for on a 2003 Saturn L-series?" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:25 pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598911 << apparently while i slept in my cave, jp went down the same toilet as everybody else: honda had a ~firmware bug~ recall recently , power steering controller crashed while in motion, users instructed to reboot motherfucking auto! on roadside ☝︎
asciilifeform: one of the minuses imho is that it will increase the cost of ferreting out cases of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ .
Framedragger: ahh. so you'd e.g. have a 'weaker' key (with a certain limited degree of trust) which could sign those kinds of abonimations. pretty elegant! (also disregard my "impression of strong wot" comment, i had misunderstood)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: just don't autoarchive pastes by tempvoiced folx
asciilifeform: (thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key)
Framedragger off to sleep, damn you west-of-ocean peoples!
asciilifeform: and i am quite convinced now that no cleaner answer will be found.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu proposed this as a somewhat cleaner solution to the vectored-sig problem
asciilifeform: it was about folks like asciilifeform having multiple keys that are used for different things, but wot-connected as if they were people
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'sybil' in that thread meant something rather nonstandard
Framedragger: well, you mentioned sybil. this may help avoid sybil url submission spam. granted, the latter may be avoided by "only people currently voiced / currently in l2 / l1" filter, etc..
asciilifeform: reminds me of the scene in b00k 'atlas shrugged' where the zillionaires in the invisible magic valley give each other gold coins when borrowing cup of sugar
asciilifeform: and yes i have nfi what is with this preoccupation with charging each other pennies for a ~0-cost pipeline
asciilifeform: nobody wants to preside over the syphilitic bordello that would result.
phf: instead they's splitting bitcents between em :p
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: suresure, i agree that it'd be fine, but i expect someone could concoct a "sybil account keeps draining pennies" argument.. but eh. yeah.
asciilifeform: replicating a.is would not be all that hard, could even use an instrumented civilian browser
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: we're talking usgpennies here
asciilifeform: phf: a public www toilet ideally would have guaranteed isolation of universes.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: i think asciilifeform hates the idea of trusting fleanode to maintain nick-to-identity mappings. the !!up/down model was *supposed* to eliminate gribble-like state anyway, right?
asciilifeform: phf: this method has a problem
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 21:42 phf: they are using Qt webkit integration, either through a hacked up version of phantomjs, or something handwritten. there's enough hooks in qt, that you can figure out what was loaded, where it got stored in local cache and where it's being used.
ben_vulpes: we have a log attributing lines to wot members whence this nonsense i ask you
asciilifeform: but presently we have no such thing
Framedragger: asciilifeform: there's that station-key vs. identity-key idea of yours, perhaps the former could could be allowed to go a few cents into debit, though this is maybe a road to complexity madness..
ben_vulpes: and whoever !!up's someone is on the hook for the cost of archiving their links.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i think ben_vulpes intends to say that deedbot's forthcoming payment service could keep track of invoicing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from the log!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << problem is solved problem, just requires work. at the very least we can easily replicate archive.is functionality ☝︎
ben_vulpes: should be a paid service, really, debiting the accounts of whomever pastes the link
asciilifeform: it is not only closed-rando, but takes eons.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually what i also like about archive.is (don't get me wrong, i agree that trusting a service run by some d00d not in wot isn't super future-proof, ahem) is that it *does* save a bitmap rendered image for the site, too
ben_vulpes: ah which reminds me, gotta go lubricate the child
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: child will get distracted by the wonder that is a fistful of pb tho
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I didn't think dogs, especially big dogs had a concept of "plenty" when it came to peanut butter.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:55 Framedragger: (tl;dr right now, scriba only submits to archive.is (with no local retention of requested site); the "did archive.is actually accept the submission" check has been improved, and can be used via the `!$ getarchive` command. local retention should take place eventually though, imo.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom! ☝︎☟︎☟︎
pete_dushenski: Framedragger: comment answered, cheers :) /me didn't have much success with wget and, eg. tlp, but other sites may be more amenable to it
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: likely less amusing than you'd expect, scarcity is key to conflict
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: i haven't checked, but `wget --page-requisites $URL` may be enough for the latter.
asciilifeform: i at one point wanted to use the mighty 'super-H' (ss in sega) chip, salivated over the manual, but turned out, all the dev tools from vendor are microshitian, and even the ~example sources~ wouldn't unpack without some microturd
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:17 ben_vulpes: lol omfg rescue dog food from child, only to be blessed by cries of anger when dog takes banana from child
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598387 << Just set a jar of peanut butter between then and let them sort it out ☝︎
Framedragger: (and in regards to duplication of effort, technically yes, i think (though you're advising web.archive.org'd sites to be then submitted to archive.is, right?), but that can't be a bad thing. additional prudent advice could include "how to save local copy with images and stylesheets" note, i guess..)