asciilifeform: it is not hard to guess who they are.

asciilifeform: there are, i surmise, parties which are actively trying to induce these error conditions en masse.

asciilifeform: nanotube: many new users log in without cloak. and occasionally cloaks fail for reasons which do not reduce to user error

asciilifeform: nanotube: it points a ddosnet consisting of ntp and ssdp 'amplification' bots (misconfigured routers, typically) at the victim.

asciilifeform: nanotube: there is a ddos artist paid (apparently) to carry out an endless quest to interfere with #b-a and related projects. presently he has an idler parked here.

asciilifeform does not know if nanotube is aware of the reason for this thread

asciilifeform: !up undata

asciilifeform: nanotube: afaik everyone who frequents this channel is now cloaked

asciilifeform: (iirc namecoin was recently shot in the head)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is precisely one worthwhile blockchain.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope

asciilifeform: and the formerly harmless softness and promise-based mechanisms will become serious holes in the armour.

asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late. ☟︎

asciilifeform: blockchain.

asciilifeform: and guess what state of the art here is

asciilifeform: a diddle gribble - same

asciilifeform: diddled, e.g., bitcoin-otc.com, can serve up anything it wants

asciilifeform: even if you do, there is no guarantee that other readers see the same thing you see

asciilifeform: i'll guess, very rarely.

asciilifeform: to check for anything you don't remember having done (or done to you)

asciilifeform: re: wot: (question to all present) - how often do you re-read your own wot history?

asciilifeform: or, at best, to mircea's suggestion of building a dedicated #b-a irc net.

asciilifeform: and back to the start.

asciilifeform: unless you move the whole thing to a dedicated box with own irc. but then you advertise its ip in public

asciilifeform: decimation: nope

asciilifeform: decimation: that's ugly

asciilifeform: with the signature encompassing the full text of said command

asciilifeform: PeterL: simply define a canonical wot as consisting of gpg-signed 'rate' commands

asciilifeform: nanotube's wot works, afaik, thus far, but a good chunk of it still lives in the old pre-cryptographic universe

asciilifeform: and likewise timestamps

asciilifeform: on account of not having been signed

asciilifeform: PeterL: likewise annotations can be diddled

asciilifeform: PeterL: you have to - yes. mr i-owned-fleanode nsa clerk - no.

asciilifeform: whatever happened to notarybot?

asciilifeform: one of the things that always gave me the willies about the classic (nanotube's) wot is that operations are not signed ☟︎

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what means 'move auth to assbot'

asciilifeform: that being, that all the controls have manual emergency cranks

asciilifeform: just pointing out answer to 'can anything at all work when all bots are dead'

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: when they're awake

asciilifeform: ops can operate the whole thing in manually-cranked mode, afaik

asciilifeform: PeterL: aha

asciilifeform: iirc

asciilifeform: PeterL: just like today, if gribble or assbot are down, only ops have voice

asciilifeform: PeterL: nobody but ops

asciilifeform: if gribble is down today, kakobrekla (and mircea_popescu ?) are still stuck manually upping folks

asciilifeform: which issue?

asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it)

asciilifeform: or ask nanotube to remove the peculiar must-be-in-channel thing

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha

asciilifeform: i can only suggest.

asciilifeform: at any rate, the folks whose gadget this is, can decide

asciilifeform: his head.

asciilifeform: we already have something quite like this system. just that it is being administered by an enemy.

asciilifeform: think of it this way:

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: spammer should have - none.

asciilifeform: PeterL: proposed change transfers the initiative to actual people, and takes away whatever piece of it the spammer had.

asciilifeform: PeterL: understand, it isn't as if they can freely idle here now. ddos bot takes care of this.

asciilifeform: why does this need to happen in split-second parcels?

asciilifeform: why?

asciilifeform: on kako's www log.

asciilifeform: they can listen!

asciilifeform: PeterL: idea is that the idler parked here by mr ddos will die.

asciilifeform: PeterL: ddosed by whom ?

asciilifeform: beyond 'let me drool in this here bowl'

asciilifeform: mike_c: idea was, we let them in when they are actual people with an actual reason for wanting in

asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: just like your victims, 'there was plenty of warning', 'no one unwitting', 'there were no victims'

asciilifeform: '... and they vote!'

asciilifeform: these were adults, with working hands.

asciilifeform: what a sad thing that they did not die.

asciilifeform: vegetables.

asciilifeform: tches, led to the nearly fatal overnight stay.'

asciilifeform: 'However, the door doesn’t automatically unlock when the interior handle is pulled—and therein lay the problem for the Smiths. According to the Times, the couple had been led to believe by their Mazda dealership that the key fob was the only way to unlock the doors; this mistaken impression, coupled with the fact that the vehicle was parked in their garage and that it was apparently too dark to clearly see the interior swi

asciilifeform: mike_c: sure.

asciilifeform: mike_c: banner points you to www log. then pm of the folks appearing therein.

asciilifeform: aww.

asciilifeform: !down Luke-Jr

asciilifeform: ;;gettrust assbot luke-jr

asciilifeform: ;;rate Luke-Jr -1 persistent loon, defiler of gentoo, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2014#955095 or inquire within ☝︎

asciilifeform: PeterL: ideally, no

asciilifeform: can make generic list of folks who are always invited

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: not only for ops, either

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: '+I' iirc

asciilifeform: less

asciilifeform doesn't grasp how this makes anything more secure

asciilifeform: wake him up ?

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: should be easy fix, no ?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, toy os users only

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reference to 'oregon trail' colonists, or to breaking on the wheel ?

asciilifeform: el coronel no tiene quien le escriba, полковнику никто не пишет, полковника никто не ждет.

asciilifeform: (soon i must go and [censored] and someone must take over!)

asciilifeform: at least for this thread.

asciilifeform: seems that, in his absence, i'm filling in for him in role as 'cruel sargeant for n00bs'

asciilifeform: actually he can

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: imho it will produce more interesting noobs - a challenge piques interest, selects for folks who aren't vegetables

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if mp likes n00bs, then let's see if he agrees that this should make their ordeal more rational (if not lighter) than it is currently.

asciilifeform: i'm not sure whether the fact of something being planted in an 'eyes' country or not is even interesting. it's like the old saw about how a smoking section in a restaurant is quite like a pissing section in swimming pool.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you probably know, but this is not the only problem with fleanode.