asciilifeform: will be believed by sufficiently many otherwise-clueful folks
asciilifeform: i, for one, would much prefer to have there be not the slightest chance that a fuckwit claiming to speak as me, but sans my key, can be believed
asciilifeform will, likely, happily play with whatever apparatus you folks come up with, but wishes that the choice be an informed one on the part of the implementers, rather than happenstance.
asciilifeform: let's say i communicate over courier.
asciilifeform: why is it necessary to involve ip addresses ?
asciilifeform: in no small part because i cannot really picture my impalement or reprieve as hinging on attribution of what i've said
asciilifeform: i am quite ready to ephemeralkey-sign every line i have uttered in #b-a.
asciilifeform: at the very least, one ought to have the option of (unobtrusively!) signing every line
asciilifeform still can't escape the feeling that hypothetical apparatus is a weapon, at least for the time being, that must be sharp enough to penetrate a particular tough grizzly hide if it is to carry on to being whatever it was meant to be...
asciilifeform: that will have to be re-shaped into something quite else (his words) when enemy is dead
asciilifeform: naggum had a piece where he confessed to thinking of 'open source' as a weapon, purpose-built for the destruction of a particular evil (microshit)☟︎
asciilifeform would much like to hear more about this later
asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters☟︎
asciilifeform gets a distinct impression that mircea_popescu is still thinking of the adversary as being bound by laws, courts, procedures of evidence-gathering.
asciilifeform: we thus have a degree of deniability, about the same as in the case of no messages carrying signatures
asciilifeform: say mircea_popescu wishes to deniably utter the words 'brezhnev sucks'. he then asks me to utter, 'my friend, who wishes to stay unmarked, wishes to inform the ladies and gentlemen of this network that brezhnev sucks'
asciilifeform: the ears - can choose to believe, or not, naturally
asciilifeform: explicitly proclaimed as 'not his own'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider: a subclass of private message where you ask a friend to pass along, to the 'room', some words.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is another way to bake it in.
asciilifeform: imho it is far from a sure thing that this will so much as add one drop of sweat to a usg inquisitor's work
asciilifeform: the only possible solution to preet signing as asciilifeform, or mircea_popescu, or whoever, is to pull the pin when he comes uninvited.
asciilifeform: how many of the folks present are ready to believe that this 'asciilifeform' is the same animal they are accustomed to enduring the company of in #b-a ?
asciilifeform: i am not presently authenticated via 'gribble'
asciilifeform: i will let this point prove itself, but was willing to argue for it to possibly save mircea_popescu and artifexd some unnecessary sweat
asciilifeform: in the end, you end up with a poor reimplementation of 'blockchain' anyway
asciilifeform: (i.e., just as their own live wotgraph behaves)
asciilifeform: not so many ways to choose from if result is to behave functionally live
asciilifeform: let's say that a fair number of node operators wish to cache. now they are stuck retaining (and transmitting, regularly!) a vast number of duplicate copies of many wotgraphs
asciilifeform: because things that are tedious and must be done manually, tend to not get done.
asciilifeform: i won't argue that wot moves ought to be retained for all eternity; but will say that some automatic caching is necessary
asciilifeform: well, in a sense they are; but we're really surrendering to entropy here far more than, imho, is necessary
asciilifeform: to create temporary warps in the fabric of wot.
asciilifeform: to attempt to disrupt signal, locate mirrors
asciilifeform: the 'dynamicity' of new-wot (vs classical wot) creates some very strong incentives for hooligans of all stripes
asciilifeform: right now this seems far easier than it will turn out to be on adult apparatus.
asciilifeform: there are obvious wins to this approach. but opens the question of what, e.g., my brother, is to do with my wotgraph once my ship goes down.
