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mircea_popescu: aka "you can get some version of what you possibly wanted done very easy at
the cost of understanding what you actually wanted or what
the hell's
the differece."
mircea_popescu: well, entirely depends on your definition of evil, but
the point remains
they're not helping you,
they're just smothering you.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 14:09 asciilifeform:
they create 'secret
talmud' of workable ops,
that are not visually distinct from intractable ones
davout: mircea_popescu: i see
the point in general, but i'm not sure i'd
take it as far as considering some additional string primitives as being evil
mircea_popescu: don't
tell me all
this nonsense now makes sense
to you ?
mircea_popescu: the computer doesn't in
the slightest mind running in a for loop from now until
the heat-end of history. however, it would humbly request you actually write its death sentence deliberately rather
than by uncomprehended accidenty.
mircea_popescu: vice-versa :
they have
to cost
that, because
they're stuck papering over
the fact
that
the operator has no idea what he wants.
davout: asciilifeform:
the reason some of
the string primitives aren't included, e.g. "substring" is
that
they're O(n)? In other words,
that
the convenience comes at
the cost of incentivizing operator idiocy?
mircea_popescu: but
that's why he speaks of socialism and getting for free and etc.
mircea_popescu: then again how
to speak
truth
to clueless is a quite open problem in
the first place.
mircea_popescu: if you look
through
the log it's pretty evident alf understands exactly what
the problem is, in spite of his deeply boneheaded, inept self-expression. which sadly makes it evident only retrospectively.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm afraid i don't see
that particular ambiguity
mircea_popescu: see
the whole point of "string" as a concept (and from it, as a
type) is based on a fundamental ambiguity. now it's
this, now it's
that.
mircea_popescu: all you need is a false implication somewhere, davout ; ANYWHERE. once you have it
then everything becomes provable.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24
trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) ->
True yet any([]) -> False
davout: would
the same functionality, included in cl's standard be deemed heretic?
davout: it's still not very clear
to me how
the ability
to manipulate string a bit more easily is equivalent
to heresy
mircea_popescu: literally
the aristotelian imperative.
the first
thing
to have moved.
mircea_popescu: possibly your idea of "scales" is
tainted by
the idiots, "to scale means
to be used by a larger cattle headcount".
that has nothing
to do.
to scale means
to go up
the abstraction
tree. an apple is a correct apple if it scales, ie, if
the concept of apple follows from it.
davout: what's "prime mover" in
this context?
mircea_popescu: not so. i can go from everything i do in an infinite string of correct whys
to prime logic. broken shit can't do
that.
mircea_popescu: sinful is also a proper attribute of incorrectness, because it is literally a headless spawn of
the very devil.
mircea_popescu: davout something (convenience, anything else) is correct if it scales, which is
to say is derived from
the prime mover. anything else - incorrect.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i quite enjoyed flailing for definitions once i realised what
the problem was (you can
tell i move
to arrays at some point in a desperate bid etc)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 15:10 mircea_popescu:
this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past
the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded
they are.
davout: either way,
the repl looks pretty nifty
davout: which may or may not be a good
thing depending on
the particular point of view
davout: the point is simply
that it bundles a good bit of convenience
mircea_popescu: well, a large part of
the problem is
that strings aren't something.
davout: after reading #chainstate my conclusion is
that mircea_popescu would enjoy ruby very much!
davout: trinque: no, i just want
to read
the
thing, not necessarily in
the context of needing info about some particular bit
trinque has a left-alt (which is rebound
to hyper) + d binding
that pops up docs for w/e language
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 10:08 davout: it's annoying
to have
to click back and forth, i'd like
to be able
to simply scroll
through it, like a normal person
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lol
there you do deanonimizing
trilema readership :D
davout: it's annoying
to have
to click back and forth, i'd like
to be able
to simply scroll
through it, like a normal person
☟︎ davout: asciilifeform: does
the CLHS exist as a single-page HTML doc ?
davout: not like i got on my chair, and slowly poured
the whole contents of
the wine bottle on mircea_popescu's head while everyone was watching in horror :D
davout: mircea_popescu: i didn't "pour a bottle on your head", i accidentally'd a wine ~glass~, at least
that's what i remember!
BingoBoingo hopes we never lose asciilifeform
to child rearing
mod6: yeah, same. maybe he'll be back when he has a bit more
time.
mod6: Ah, right. Yeah, I forget what his
thought was
there.
mod6: Or at least, iirc we
talked about it for a bit.
mod6: This was also
the first
time we discussed your ideas around mem fragmentation.
mod6: Got
to
talk with chetty a good long while
this evening
too.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> waiwut i don't remember
this wine event << great steaks at
this place. Mr. P. had
to leave and change his suit.
mircea_popescu: hey, it supports 5% of gpd growth from imaginary 7bn
to imaginary 7.35bn
jurov: where
the manuls are
ben_vulpes: waiwut i don't remember
this wine event
danielpbarron: indiancandy, eulora is a program you can run on windows and effectively use as a bitcoin wallet, without having
to mess around with
the block chain directly
mircea_popescu: davout knows, he poured a wine bottle on my head
there for some reason.
mircea_popescu: every girl expands until she can pimp guys
to guys and read mail.
danielpbarron: you should get into Eulora.
that's a great easy way
to hold btc
jurov: maybe someone will
teach you
to use
therealbitcoin in exchange for cam sessions or such
jurov: transferwise does
the conversion