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mjr_: so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter
mjr_: i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock
mjr_: i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything
mjr_: that is a fact
mjr_: that description is no longer valid on a different day
mircea_popescu: well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.
mjr_: find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat
mjr_: thats a change
mircea_popescu: the third wioth a hangover
mircea_popescu: one day you come with a hat
mjr_: and there was a conflict
mjr_: how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing
mjr_: for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use
mjr_: for a good reason
mjr_: ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol
mjr_: may be, but it is a change
mjr_: that is a change
xmj: A works on B doesn't imply B works on A
mircea_popescu: if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion
mircea_popescu: if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change.
mjr_: you couldn't do tx of a certain size before
mjr_: how about a simpler one
mjr_: that would be the textbook definition of a change
mircea_popescu: suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care.
mjr_: i don't give a shit how you try to spin that
mjr_: that is a difference
mjr_: there was a point where you could not do a multisig
xmj: you can't craft a multisig transaction right now that will be accepted by the network valid per bitcoin rules
mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now
mircea_popescu: multisig is not a thing.
mjr_: tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede
mjr_: that is a difference
mircea_popescu: a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.
mjr_: i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
mjr_: does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?
mjr_: so I notice a difference
mircea_popescu: understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television.
asciilifeform: an improvement, even if genuine, will be condemned to grind out a meagre existence as an altchain.
asciilifeform: because the burden of proof on anybody pushing a 'pheature' to demonstrate that he isn't slipping in a semantic - or syntactic - pwnh0le - is just about impossible to meet.
mjr_: and you can runn a diff on the code if you want
pete_dushenski: punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude
mjr_: and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point
mircea_popescu: enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.
mjr_: not some guy at a foundation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea.
xmj: most companies use py2 because it a) works and b) you can hire developers fluent in py2 easily.
mjr_: not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?
mjr_: as in a background process?
asciilifeform: we're re-living history, in a way. the sane folks are ever less likely to 'reopen the btcd standard' with every passing day of derp.
asciilifeform: ace that will allow developers to use this language at all, _nothing_ happens. By mounting a constant attack on the standards process, the nutcases who are never going to be happy with the language, anyway, ensure that their negative attitude keeps everyone else from being happy and becoming happier, too.'
mjr_: so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate
xmj: mjr_: that assumes things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it.
mjr_: that is not a good idea
asciilifeform: mjr_: '... your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin' << there is a set of ideas that are only 'good', from the point of view of their proponents, if other people are (made to) use them.
mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute
pete_dushenski: godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins
mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there's a point
mjr_: asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...
mjr_: not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it
nubbins`: guess that means the death wasn't a homicide
xmj: take mises with a large tablespoon of salt please
mjr_: ooh, i seem to have missed a lot
mircea_popescu: but seems some proxies died a thousand deaths.
mircea_popescu: well it was working for a while, actually.
godovo: will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value
nubbins`: at least a few days
mjr_: Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: under a bitcent huh.
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : YOU BOUGHT THEM
mircea_popescu: bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today <<
BingoBoingo: godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months
nubbins`: that's a pint of ben & jerry's
godovo: cazalla: 0.01 is a lot
mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %. ☟︎
nubbins`: this sounds like a job for...
nubbins`: hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine
nubbins`: who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a -
nubbins`: BigBitz, it was like a dollar!
mircea_popescu: BigBitz tell him to start a blog. then link him to https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
mircea_popescu: nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord
nubbins`: not in a chan afaics
nubbins`: not a bad way to make money
BigBitz: Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan...
assbot: Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: godovo: http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day.
nubbins`: no longer a common thing, this
mircea_popescu: imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles.
nubbins` burns a credit to find out
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x trilema credit orders a day by now.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then.
nubbins`: that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder
mircea_popescu: omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation).
mircea_popescu: what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper"
nubbins`: i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate
nubbins`: overall, not a bad start to the week