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phf: *porting cmucl to raw iron
phf: one of the major reasons why porting cmucl might be easier, a lot more naive image construction (doesn't have that whole sb! sb- machinery), and lack of threads
phf: who knows with threads, i wouldn't be surprised if sbcl touches them in very inappropriate, glibc specific ways
asciilifeform: trinque: pretty strange, because threads work fine in musltronic trb
phf: there's was a wip fork of making linux-unix.lisp talk directly using syscalls without libc. that's probably lowest common denominator
trinque: phf: the gentoo musl overlay has sbcl patches iirc. gotta forgo threads
phf: so i don't know how sbcl does it, but cmucl has unix.lisp, which kernel relies on early on in the operation, and yes, contains all the "talk to the world" crud. cmucl actually does some hack where only subset of unix is used for operations and then when you (require unix) it adds some of the userspace
asciilifeform: phf: would you say that cmucl is more suited for 'iron' incarnation? (i.e., can it be build without gcc?)
asciilifeform: all of the crud that will have to be rewritten on (hypothetical) sbcl-on-iron, conveniently.
phf: but i think sb-unix exposes some kernel level shit, because need it for reading files and exec and such
asciilifeform: does it follow that libc can be omitted entirely if one nixes sb-unix ?
asciilifeform: (i can clearly see that my copy is linked with it. but -- why?)
asciilifeform: ... what does the thing even ~need~ libc for?!
phf: did anybody do a musl sbcl? i have a musl cmucl in the backlog, but way down the list (perhaps once i get this x60 going)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-19 15:55 trinque: I built on musl lots of times before
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605086 >> plz consider posting recipe for musltronic emacs build! i promise to test. ☝︎☟︎
phf: i thought little axes were standard issue item, sort of like a sapper spade
asciilifeform: lulzy, they even issued little axes for this work.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/stOV3 << in other olds >> elaborate yarn re 'mysterious' habit of u.s. soldiers, of bashing in the heads of killed goatfuckers. presented as 'atrocious' and 'senseless' etc. and i read whole spittoon waiting for the obvious reason to be mentioned, and of course was not (ground beed the face, and you dun need to worry whether you executed the hit on exactly the right d00d..)
phf: so i called the new branch of the bank i'm transferring to, they confirmed the ifsc number. i'm not sure what i prefer, the fed theory or the incompetence theory. either...
mircea_popescu: which yes, subtext :D how did you call these ? they were sopirle in romanian
asciilifeform: not afaik, but perhaps phf saw such a thing.
mircea_popescu: did this exist ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally this'd have been a great show, i imagine, guy going on street idly, happening on meat shop just as the truck unloads, and generally doing a grand blond a la chaussure noire but a la russe.
asciilifeform: or would have been if the planets had been aligned differently, etc.
asciilifeform: note, i will not claim that there is necessarily still fish at that particular meat shop.
mircea_popescu: well supposedly in moscow there also lived a fellow who always found fish at the meat shop and to this day has nfi what everyone was on about.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605116 << worked great last i tried it ( 2013 ) ☝︎
phf: might just have to fall back to cash, i was trying to be prim and proper, alas
mircea_popescu: about there.
mircea_popescu: conversely of course, every dollar you do take out of the us hurts the usg considerably ; i'd guess the going rate is 130k expatriated is about equivalent to shooting a nypd officer in the face.
mircea_popescu: also why eg apple doesn't wire to new york the proceeds of sales in paris.
mircea_popescu: (and if you try to drive cash to mexico they'll try and steal it ; and if you eg open a foreign corp with a subsidiary in the us and send the money home they'll pretend you're engaging in money laundering, and in general expatriating your wealth is generally more difficult than it's worth, which is why sane people do not live in the us.)
mircea_popescu: they very transparently pretend ineptitude, but it's pretty clearly fed instructions.
phf: in unrelated lulz a u.s. retail bank is unable to send an international wire transfer. i bring a piece of paper with all correct requisites. half the numbers "i don't know what this number is", so follow up with calls for numbers from the fucking paper that, who could've predicted, are required. write down the numbers on their end incorrectly. the last part of saga: they now claim one of the numbers is invalid, but if you simply google for it it comes up
thestringpuller: trinque: good lawyer is hard to find too.
mircea_popescu: if you believe this is how it works, all the better.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so krebs has sob story about how republic successfuly denies empire comms ; and wants to add some sort of "but we pay to house some random bums for the rest of their lives so it's all ok"
trinque: and you get to be an elite renegade hacker on the dole, no less
mircea_popescu: hey, it's how you get the ssi rite ?
trinque: these creatures must want to sign the papers.
mircea_popescu: trinque "sales" here means usg sops style nothing, like obamacare isn't a tax. his thing was mentioned once on a forum with 3k "registered users".
asciilifeform: in related lulz, https://archive.is/P9ZHt << krebs is back to doing what he was made for, elaborate witch-hunting for usg handlers
mircea_popescu: "sold to 3k users who used it on 16k victims" dude...
asciilifeform: 'According to the statement of facts filed with the plea agreement, Shames developed malicious software, known as a keylogger'
mircea_popescu: phf it's entirely unclear what ssl is supposed to provide. it might have been of marginal utility prior to their nsa merger, but these days it's utter waste of time. treat all freenode connections as plaintext.
mircea_popescu: problem being girls going "you can't go in here" only works on the other girls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'works' ain't their objective. area denial, is.
mircea_popescu: you understand nothing they leveraged works ? they ain't got a browser. google is trying to rescue 20 years of weveling with dubious results. there's no python 3. there's no ipv6. there's no trb. there's no eth. there's nothing. NOTHING.
phf: seems like freenode upgraded all their servers to letsencrypt, meaning that you can't just verify ssl's fingerprint once a year. instead each server has own ssl, updated once in 90 days.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the weevils do in fact leverage one another's weeviling.
mircea_popescu: turns out i can bit mit with one hand while watching porn. they'll leverage what, they got nothing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "leverage ecosystem" ie, "someone else will do our work for us" is very much usg.dos style, but also very much hopeless. seriously, they'll leverage ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 19:23 mircea_popescu: which i suppose warrants a general warning : DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR GCC TO 5.0! SAVE YOUR COPIES OF 4.X AND PRIOR!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592090 << thread ☝︎
trinque: I built on musl lots of times before ☟︎
asciilifeform: which means living on specially-terraformed planet, if you want it to work.
asciilifeform: trinque: recall, the drepperites are getting ready to break glibc so that no moar clasical emacs.
asciilifeform: noshit, fungus dun grow on healthy tissue
a111: Logged on 2017-01-19 15:25 asciilifeform: and before long, it will be impossible to actually get normal-people emacs running on any typical os.
asciilifeform: turns out -- the fungus is in full bloom.
asciilifeform: 'We can leverage the rapidly-growing crate ecosystem. We can drop support legacy compilers and platforms (looking at you, MS-DOS).'
asciilifeform: and before long, it will be impossible to actually get normal-people emacs running on any typical os. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'If you’d like to join us, there’s plenty to do. You could: Port a small C function in lisp.h to lisp.rs. Port your favourite built-in elisp function to Rust.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605069 << so now we know which tumour has been chosen to kill emacs with. ☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDC31CFD58561A297361FFB673C672306507F014E8422D13821815642064DD42 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 48159739175968624148092767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christoph Giesel <christoph.giesel@piraten-lsa.de>; '
mircea_popescu: is this good for rustcoin ?
mod6: There's still a bunch more clean up and testing ahead, but a step in the right direction. o7
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602666 << some very early, news to report: I've successfully implemented this fix into the forthcoming version of V (99994), and all original and new automated tests passed. ☝︎
asciilifeform: nah, but i work with hands enough that it comes off.
BingoBoingo: Used to it? Attached?
BingoBoingo: Perhaps time to debride again?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ick no american synthetic turdolade plox. << AHA, you've had your fill of polyurethane foam? How much still adheres to the hands?
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the 80s 37yo virgin never killed anyone. just wore his disco suit and applied himself.
mircea_popescu: (the newspaper edition, not the bastardized tv version)
mircea_popescu: some crossover with tintin, but meh. the great us equivalent would be i guess popeye
mircea_popescu: ancient, 60s belgian thing
asciilifeform: the thing was massively multilayer lampoon of various cultural gibblets
mircea_popescu: did they have that in ru ?
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the characters look like ripoffs of lucky luke antagonists)
mircea_popescu: that doesn't really look like it's earlier than the lslilll
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/BFZgOK4KIsQ?t=5m << aaaactually this came first!!
mircea_popescu: it's an old leisure suit larry idea. I SAW THE FACTORY
shinohai: I saw that on trilema, so I know it's possible.
mircea_popescu: body very replaceable, just unscrew the head.
asciilifeform: this is ftr the WORST possible kind of tech, which is why i even mention it here:
mircea_popescu: well then may i recomend a tardis.
asciilifeform: was ~just right~ consistency though, and didn't feel like roasting in own juices from the sheer thermal insulation power
mircea_popescu: ah that's bs. virtually no down on chickens.
mircea_popescu: i think they use a mechanic plucker, ~beat carcass with sticks
asciilifeform: tell this to the americans.
mircea_popescu: you pick the down not the feathers eh.
asciilifeform: i might have to use mircea_popescu's method. but it will take thousand years, because my proper pillow had 0 feather stems.
asciilifeform: ick no american synthetic turdolade plox.
thestringpuller: altho most don't want to spend $200 on pillow
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: dunno if helps. but recently invested in tempurpedic-like pillow due to sleep issues. neck support made a difference.
shinohai says nothing about the cat at midnite again
asciilifeform under voodoo curse; 50-year-old genuine feature pillow finally detonated in the wash, made for 2+hrs of wetvac, and 'where the fuck do i get one of ~these~' experience
shinohai: I was looking into that time when Ver doxed the guy over (at the time) $50 and found that gem