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diana_coman: fwiw it sounds to me that Reuel precisely wants to implement the planning committee possibly as a fantasy where he thinks he can *make* it work
Reuel: Yes I agree, irl, but this would be a small time waster, are you saying that any game that gives you "free" resources is bad?
mircea_popescu: when they do come from the central planning committee the country's broken, and collapsing.
mircea_popescu: salaries come from a social negotiation, not from the fucking white house.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. the point is that ~everything's balanced~.
Reuel: that nothing in the game is free
mircea_popescu: what does size have to do with whether something works or doesn't ? a broken engine is broken at any scale.
diana_coman: what idea do you say you get? (it seems quite likely you did not get it: scope has nothing to do with it)
Reuel: well youll probably tell me i dont get the idea
Reuel: I did, and I get the idea, but this is way smaller in scope
diana_coman: Reuel, I suggest you read & a play eulora for a while - it will help you with this
mircea_popescu: which is why and how they ended up the equivalent of stripper joints.
mircea_popescu: just because a bunch of irrelevant games are utterly broken means jack. a) eulora isn't broken and will kill them ; and b) nobody wants to play them anyway
mircea_popescu: "it's a supermarket item like frozen chickens, where do those come from"
mircea_popescu: consider all the rest of your magic numbers. where does the one in "they can veto the outcome of one national ballot per round." come from ?
mircea_popescu: you don't grasp the problem with this.
Reuel: payout at the start of the turn
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0B59B054AFCC24BEC878469289B2851D3BD422E6529BDCE3A552FD6FCDC1BC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1660...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.233.48.105 (ssh-rsa key from 210.233.48.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown JP)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0B59B054AFCC24BEC878469289B2851D3BD422E6529BDCE3A552FD6FCDC1BC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1371...1903 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.233.48.105 (ssh-rsa key from 210.233.48.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown JP)
mircea_popescu: A job influences what salary a player receives << where's the salary come from ?
Reuel: I hope you can grasp the game cycle from this
Reuel: That was more meant to set the tone, and the target audience would be people who vote irl
Reuel: yeah the introduction can be ignored, this was a work in progress which should become the manual
mircea_popescu: to put it bluntly it's either that "people vote" or that "their nation". denied middle between these.
mircea_popescu: perspective in that context.
mircea_popescu: Reuel your description is badly phrased. for instance in the first paragraph : i encounter the symbol "the best outcome for their nation", but it's not defined nor obviously supported by the introduction. leaving aside that going from "x is defined" to "x is measurable in an algebraic group which permits ordering" which is what "best" implies -- your perspective is globalist and there's no fundamental solution for a national
Reuel: you suggested the Eulora text mode conversion, could you tell more about it
Reuel: is the game idea
mircea_popescu: and in other non-rape things, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e93b99e7d7bfd4fbe2a1d9b77d545f44/tumblr_okct3g6WVD1vfg3jto1_1280.jpg
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1Rjr
BingoBoingo: "I had seen the moonwalk [not the pedophilic stage dance, but the actual walk on the Moon that orbits Planet Earth] recently and therefore believed in what was essentially magic."
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:49 ben_vulpes: phf: and on this, the third consecutive day of asking, would you kindly acknowledge receipt?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << this is the official acknowledgement of the receipt. likewise i saw it the first two times you posted it, but didn't realize that writing the nth copy of the logreader that you embarked on is a high priority republic business. seriously, what's with the attitude? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-05 21:19 deedbot: diana_coman rated phf 2 << Only known fault so far is making public the day he leaves for vacations.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:52 ben_vulpes: unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes your logtron drops last line..? bug?
asciilifeform: and if universe expands and you gotta grow it -- you grow it at the tendrils (leaves)
asciilifeform: it wouldn't work quite like today's bitcoin, tho.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu an' the other immortals, could have their galactic coin.
asciilifeform: as alluded to earlier, speed of light forces you to have localized bitcoin nets. can easily make'em hierarchical.
asciilifeform: because the alternative is lunacy.
asciilifeform: the number is unknowable and i will not pretend to know it or estimate it.
mircea_popescu: conversely, the proposition that "the sum total of people that could possibly be worth knowing is equal my dunbar number" smacks a little of panglossism
asciilifeform: and the former is 100% about incentives.
asciilifeform: instead of leaving it as something for people to discover when it is too late and they are already packed like sardines.
asciilifeform: shows where the ceiling is.
asciilifeform: imho one of the appeals of bitcoin is that it in fact makes this limit explicit.
mircea_popescu: hopefully there's such a limit naturally.
asciilifeform: there was a thread where 'there will be S souls on planet an' no moar'
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, NOTHING will scale in this mythical 'i want INFINITE parts in close communion' sense. even having too many atoms in one place, 'won't scale', you get neutron star.
asciilifeform: want to dispute the hypothesis as stated ?
mircea_popescu: well, oft repeated alfisms aren't thereby facts.
asciilifeform: but facts such as 'no one is making more Actual Computer nor is anyone likely to in next century' add up to this picture imho.
mircea_popescu: now how would you know this ?
asciilifeform: quite likely. but i dare say, they will for the most part be sane in a non-btc-directed way.
asciilifeform: i see btc as 'strategic' machine, closer to tonnes-of-au, or hydrogen bomb, or icbm sub, than to something 'to buy coffee with'.
mircea_popescu: not sure these picturings are useful.
asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu picture a planet3 with 3mn gold vaults (not pirate chest, either, but the kind with xray rig, defensive turrets, tank division) ?
mircea_popescu: well... that's ~3mn more
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow we conquer the us and put it through the grinder, that'll result in 297mn bodies, yes
mircea_popescu: why ? the whole point of life is to make less idiots.
asciilifeform: as for 'growth', i have extreme difficulty picturing the number of users of bitcoin who have by any conceivable stretch of the imagination ~actual business using it~ going up, rather than down
asciilifeform: even earth-mars is a serious stretch, for this reason.
asciilifeform: so we will not have this problem.
asciilifeform: bitcoin as known today won't work on galactic scale, tho
mircea_popescu: look, the problem is that as the empire grows, the army food supply goes from bushels to millions of bushels. "restrict legionnaire rations" is not a solution.
asciilifeform: presently fraggers do not pay the cost of fragging, it is strictly 'ecological', and externalized to future users.
asciilifeform: (as in the node-miner conflict, described by mircea_popescu , for instance)
asciilifeform: frag-entropy, like other systemic problems with traditional bitcoin, is simply a result of misaligned incentives.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 21:56 mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and i didn't even crib this maxim from BingoBoingo's links. it seems elementary. )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:58 mircea_popescu: drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great."
asciilifeform: first time i ~ever~ see a .zw
mircea_popescu: lol poor phuctor been bottling in the rage all day, now it's quiet can let loose
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1571...4477 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE)
mod6: megal0g today, and yesterday. nice.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1413...3643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1054...6417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D21502DDC614160506D49019E3A101B1D769C3A49597CAB4B67CBBC0EF4E7592 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.5 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A35236F137FD211F772259BD5287EDE9AA09CD8A275F881C74BD97AB8BD0545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.3.189 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.3.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEF1C6C9A890941640110AD479AFDEDCC6132445EEFB2D1F31C1D58AFF1DC4F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.9 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX JAL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
trinque: more of a bank than roll along, but yeah
trinque: layup's a finger roll around the side of the basket, horizontal spin on ball so it rolls along backboard and in
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> isn't that what you call that thing in basketball where one dood drives in and puts the ball up for someone else to net? << this is an alley-oop
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally << This is where Qntra CSS is masterpiece!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics) << indeed. i have collected some of these myself.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Browser shots Sorry service is down for maintanence << dude they're not even trying anymore, the web's deader than shannen doherty's career << haha
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to see what trump does re that only really important point.
mircea_popescu: o look, trade deficit widening.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (you're invited to go fishing, discover fish will eat your bait and not bite) << AHA, this is where most bait goes.
mircea_popescu: working towards the ultimate tmsr goal. ben_vulpes does the miners, we got an autonomous noncorporeal state going
mircea_popescu: https://reuelbrion.github.io/AgroTempus/ << from guy on trilema.