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scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:41:28] <
mircea_popescu>
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <
mircea_popescu>
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
Framedragger:
mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
Framedragger:
mircea_popescu: random line cited which includes some html tags.
Framedragger:
mircea_popescu: you mean join chan before cloak applied? yeah i know :/ will fix later. want to robustify things as a matter of priority
BingoBoingo: <
mircea_popescu> "dad i wanna get married" "honeybunch, you'll get old and your tits will sag and it'll suck. don't get married, it's a dead end" << LOL
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [17:19:45] <
mircea_popescu> give kid as much rope to hang self with as kid can carry.
trinque:
mircea_popescu: he is *not* replacing the underlying system and thus cannot avoid developing comprehensive knowledge of how *it* works before plonking whatever atop it and calling it something
gabriel_laddel:
mircea_popescu: "but you can't abstract over hardware"
BingoBoingo: <
mircea_popescu> wait, literally ? cunt-0 ?! << On my box: hole0
gabriel_laddel:
mircea_popescu: that is correct. Hence enforcing a SINGLE hardware platform from which to generalize.
gabriel_laddel:
mircea_popescu: the only way to learn that is by aptly named brute force.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [14:52:01] <asciilifeform>
mircea_popescu: and bleeding'em from outside (for the sake of argument positing that they ~have~ an outside) is available to weak/poor/haremless/etc. ??
a111: Logged on 2016-09-19 12:45
mircea_popescu: adlai how do you justify sticking around to yourself in that context ?
adlai:
mircea_popescu: "justify sticking around"? i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 20:13
mircea_popescu: so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing".
ben_vulpes:
mircea_popescu: "what dat" is a pregnant americanism, as for the second sentence, you need a rewrite to parse?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 23:30
mircea_popescu: armed enough to be murdered for it ; not armed enough to keep angry mob at bay.
BingoBoingo: <
mircea_popescu> lafond never heard how caesar died or what. << Historicaly common, but was uncommon among the fauna local to him historicaly.
BingoBoingo: <
mircea_popescu> "the logic of steel" wtf is he about ? << Early book of his.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 21:40
mircea_popescu: iirc in the early days of c-as-replacement-for-straight-asm it's exactly how compiler became a thing. "dude... fuck hardware."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:43
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:07
mircea_popescu: phf to answer the "why asm" thing : because if at issue is to obtain a correct f(lisp) so as it produces the same asm as gcc(c) then we'd better have a good example of target "same asm". his approach is judicious.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 22:29
mircea_popescu: anachronism is universally the sign of an uneducated mind - in the blogger's case because he fails to account for the obvious case that "what if the only reason nothing happened is BECAUSE those people were there then ?" ; but in the general case as displayed by lamport also. it is ridiculous to pretend to science, logic and reason, and then to turn around and tell a story of the past in the terms of "here's what's left once
framedr_ghetto:
mircea_popescu: glasgow. eh, i'll be outta here this month next year, i think. weather and, you know, the whole wanna-be-empire-failed-island thing..
framedr_ghetto:
mircea_popescu: it rejoins if it loses connection to freenode; it tries to re-self-voice if it detects it does not have voice anymore. it does not rejoin chan if it gets kicked. will be fixed.
framedr_ghetto:
mircea_popescu: you in rome for real, or some elaborate etymological joke?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:31 adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again,
mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27
mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:45 adlai: i thought the EFF was suing
mircea_popescu a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:24
mircea_popescu: get in touch when you're here, i'll send someone to pick you up or such covertress .
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:40 covertress:
mircea_popescu: i regret to inform you that i will not be attending our dinner 26-Sept
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:24 asciilifeform:
mircea_popescu et al: in other not-quite-noose, 'To every pair p, q of distinct primes there correspond 9 positive integers x no larger than pq such that x^c ≡ x mod (pq) for every odd positive integer c. Therefore these 9 messages x are unconcealable in any Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystem which has the product pq for its encoding modulus.'
phf:
mircea_popescu: i missed the point
phf:
mircea_popescu: well, from that perspective "no threads!!" is kind of irrelevant, because it's just less things to try and get operational on raw hardware. pretty sure nyef had to pull threads from sbcl when trying to get it running on raw hardware..
phf:
mircea_popescu: people basically come to same conclusion, and then when it comes to putting in "2 years of living from inside an os without youtube" balk
phf:
mircea_popescu: the real reason it's not been done is because it's fucking hard and nobody cared enough to spend the necessary man years
phf:
mircea_popescu: problem is that when you do a execution like ./foo on unix, ~unix~ expects "foo" to contain certain bits and do certain kind of work to appease unix upfront. that work is specific not to "x86" but to "linux v 1.1.2, compiled on full moon, by three blind monks"
phf:
mircea_popescu: that's not what the layer between os and lisp does in the case of sbcl/cmucl. it explicitly doesn't do primitives, because those are, like you said, written in lisp, that's compiled into native bytecode (using VOB's, i.e. chunks for assembly)
phf:
mircea_popescu: what would be the correct approach?
phf:
mircea_popescu: so in order to bridge the gap between the two you need knowledge of both patterns. cmucl has knowledge of its own, it doesn't also want to have knowledge of all the shit that goes into gcc
phf:
mircea_popescu: cmucl's assembly has a different pattern in order to support all the tricky-in-c-trivial-in-lisp code behaviors
phf:
mircea_popescu: an assembly that result out of compilation is the problem
phf:
mircea_popescu: there's machine code in cmucl, the problem is bootstrapping.