asciilifeform: neh, sorta the opposite

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i don't even work at a place where they ask the question any more

asciilifeform: decimation: what made you think i have anything to withdraw ?

asciilifeform: (nor, in general, should other u.s. folks, unless they're already very old)

asciilifeform: good thing i don't expect to live to pension age

asciilifeform: speaking just of old-fashioned taxes

asciilifeform: decimation: aha

asciilifeform: where i live, 40% is considered pretty good.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what country << generally, the 'orc world' where laws aren't actually enforced unless you piss people off

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform is not aware of any successful instances of 'moving market', other than brute affairs like buterin's waterfall or the earlier and better-known gold price suppression scheme

asciilifeform: but what if the lab is not a lab, but a bomb whose entire purpose is to trigger earthquake

asciilifeform: not exactly false, but no mechanical device would function if friction did not exist

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's somewhat like saying that 'engineers hate friction'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm sure the denizens liked it also. but as al said, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' we're living with the results of '90s sv.

asciilifeform: if i were to learn that he made his nightclub seed money by executing contract hits, rather than at netscape, i'd like him considerably more

asciilifeform: just confessing that my overall burning hatred for the time, place, and culture in which he became rich & famous spills onto him.

asciilifeform: anyway, not really pissing on the man in earnest here

asciilifeform: getting rich off netscape feels vaguely unsavoury in my book

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: almost all american programmers of a certain age once wrote lisp of some description

asciilifeform: possibly because only fact i knew about him was him being involved in the dotcom bubble and being responsible for the steaming crock of shit that is netscape, and, by implication, the entire shit soup of www standards

asciilifeform: i have always had a mild dislike for jwz and was never able to articulate why

asciilifeform: decimation: that's where he parked his 'escape rocket'

asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: or engineering in general

asciilifeform: dwim is the shortest possible summary of how illiterate folks imagine programming

asciilifeform: adlai: aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this ancient fallacy has a name: 'dwim'

asciilifeform: stolen.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: dos was not, properly speaking, a microshit product

asciilifeform spent what must have been a whole year playing with it as a kid

asciilifeform: ran in protected mode, too, using no actual msdos api

asciilifeform: '3d studio' was an 'autodesk' product

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what's that got to do with microshit?

asciilifeform: which is as it ought to be

asciilifeform: microshit wasn't at the table

asciilifeform: why would it ?

asciilifeform wonders how

asciilifeform: and i think i'm the only one actually talking about it, for the most part

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: because there is not actually an alternative to ada

asciilifeform: decimation: i did not test on any closed-source compiler because they don't exist on the planet i choose to live on

asciilifeform: decimation: same result

asciilifeform: decimation: i tested on both available compilers, the foundation's and the gnu

asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YrA1zuD2 << fucking scammerz

asciilifeform: http://comp.lang.ada.narkive.com/vnn86krY/size-of-linked-program-increasing-with-new-version-of-gnat << mega-flamew4r

asciilifeform: i assumed he likes dead tree

asciilifeform: decimation: they are

asciilifeform: but error messages (in verbose mode) cite rationale, iirc

asciilifeform: or rather, they both have it

asciilifeform: that's the one with chapter & verse

asciilifeform: get the 'rationale' too

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: there are four adas - 83, 95, 2005, 2012

asciilifeform: at the earliest

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: make sure it describes at least the '95' variant

asciilifeform: all serious technical docs 'written for the ages' ought to be in that format.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you will have a real bitch of a time learning the language from the standard and justification docs, if that's what you were thinking of doing

asciilifeform: (both numbers refer to stripped elf's on an x86-64 box)

asciilifeform: but you can see how this cheats.

asciilifeform: ^ 6k on my box

asciilifeform: end Hello;

asciilifeform: Puts ("Hello, World!");

asciilifeform: begin

asciilifeform: pragma Import (C, Puts, "puts");

asciilifeform: procedure Puts (Str : Char_Array);

asciilifeform: procedure Hello is

asciilifeform: with Interfaces.C; use Interfaces.C;

asciilifeform: pragma No_Run_Time;

asciilifeform: the 200k helloworld.

asciilifeform: for some reason nobody mentioned the ugliest thing about ada

asciilifeform: (does each u.s. citizen get a small piece?)

asciilifeform: or the body

asciilifeform: it's a very long road (or so they think) to hitler's bunker and 'headsoff.com' being filmed on washington streets

asciilifeform: they don't care if they win a war, lose a war, here&there

asciilifeform: as orlov pointed out

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point was that these folks live in a perverse sandbox world where it literally doesn't matter what happens

asciilifeform: don't forget the other obama

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's rich if it's denominated in plutonium!

asciilifeform: 'xxxxx.' 'you're a nutter, go away'

asciilifeform: it'll be like the 9/11 crap.

asciilifeform: 'respectable' mouthpieces won't touch the subject

asciilifeform: if tomorrow we get a 'leaked' clinton email where clitler reveals that she is medusa and can kill with headsnakes - what will change ?

asciilifeform: because, to the extent is valuable - nonattributable

asciilifeform: clinton, etc. don't expect to lose anything if it gets out

asciilifeform: exactly the same way btc tx travels in plaintext

asciilifeform: nsa, the fed, the nameless ones (tm), et al - are not run by the pheminist antinazi wtf crowd.

asciilifeform: thinking of the still-living flesh now, not the gangrenous

asciilifeform: and 'loves' the delicious flesh.

asciilifeform: it's a hungry leopard

asciilifeform: didn't say it would happen, but the allure is irresistible to them

asciilifeform: they want to solve the problem of turning man into livestock

asciilifeform: that it's... thinkable.

asciilifeform: and that's enough for the buggers

asciilifeform: not that this is actually possible, necessarily, but -thinkable-

asciilifeform: no more festering resentment, as in soviet times

asciilifeform: say, actually have every table and chair with microphone that sets off alarms if someone mutters a dissenting thought under his breath

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or they were trying to solve a different problem:

asciilifeform: (and at any rate feels too much like work)

asciilifeform: thought it was more mundane mechanism, where you absolutely must have elint for totalitarian control of the english world, where stoolie culture was not already well developed

asciilifeform: usa - no such luck