asciilifeform: (today's substitute for the maxim gun of the pinkertons, you could say)

asciilifeform: the 'hordes' are dealt with in the same way as anarchists 100 years ago - moles, stoolies, provocateurs, and, if these fail, massed attack with costly 20th c. armour/aviation

asciilifeform: trinque: it mostly was in '68

asciilifeform: sorta like the logic of nuke war

asciilifeform: PeterL: small nuance here, also. the 'jungle shells' don't have to actually be made to work, in a sense. think about how the 'gavin fork' thing, which died - or at least went into hibernation - merely from knowing that response is ready

asciilifeform: PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034504 << original thread here ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sometimes discussed in historical chumpatronics literature, re: schemes to 'invest in xxxx, and once it tanks, we'll buy it up for firewood we promise'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this type of chumpatron has a name, though i'm blanking on what it was

asciilifeform: and had to try something new

asciilifeform: evidently they ran short of chumps dumb enough to install the thing voluntarily

asciilifeform: but the sheer lameness, worth a discussion

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: 'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!' ☟︎

asciilifeform: this one has a 'charity' flavour

asciilifeform: worth a mention somewhere?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.epicscale.com << the spamatronic 'cpu broker' used in the crapware described in recent qntra piece

asciilifeform: generally you have to 'win' the 'lottery' to get the full-bore arse search

asciilifeform: might have to do with 'lottery' system for inspections

asciilifeform: i found this odd enough to still wonder why

asciilifeform: PeterL: when i went to mircea_popescu's conference-2, had an attache of rng samples, which nobody at any of the borders was interested in so much as opening much less demanding to know how to plug them in

asciilifeform: re: border searches - interestingly, if your cargo doesn't look like consumer electronics, the inspectors tend to ignore it (granted that it doesn't pattern-match 't3rr0r1s7!!!111')

asciilifeform: i confess that i can't bring myself to run the thing that eats infinite memory, any more

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i drove the hog to the forest & turned it loose there. found it interesting how the beast had to be shaken out of the trap, wouldn't simply leave on its own

asciilifeform hasn't tested yet

asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000057.html http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000058.html << congrats mod6

asciilifeform: can we get scoopbot on the therealbitcoin list ?

asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur9fbRz4GxE

asciilifeform: obligatory:

asciilifeform: it bloodied its nose against the cage for 20 min. or so, then gave up

asciilifeform: i once caught a groundhog (marmota monax) in a zoological (cage) trap

asciilifeform: but not really pack animal, afaik

asciilifeform: fox is famous for just this

asciilifeform: fight the glass to the death - or 'submit' to it as to a 'commanding officer'

asciilifeform: incidentally, i'm rather curious re: how a social animal (rat, wolf) would do in the bottle

asciilifeform: (he was trying to get -in-, for no apparent reason, rather than escape a jar)

asciilifeform: i'm quite unconvinced that the bird did

asciilifeform: mouse understands glass better than the bird (recall the bird film i posted? also persistent beast, also against glass!)

asciilifeform: really?

asciilifeform: in that he doesn't have anything like an accurate internal model of his situation, in the bottle

asciilifeform: the mouse thing is really about the virtues of not-thinking, no ?

asciilifeform: smaller nervous system, elementary

asciilifeform: sure there is. an ant can bite in milliseconds.

asciilifeform not convinced that the hoodlums have more 'sense' than the mouse in the bottle

asciilifeform: 'have low serial number on your party card' ?

asciilifeform: this is exactly how sov. textbooks described stock markets!

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: what - in the actual world people inhabit - *is* a function of it?

asciilifeform: in the general case.

asciilifeform did carefully specify that the 'ideal play' is not actually findable

asciilifeform: for the original line of reasoning, see chaitin.

asciilifeform: works on most machines, even!

asciilifeform: for trivial example, the shortest program which does nothing at all is ''.

asciilifeform: for arbitrarily many specific cases - provable.

asciilifeform: is only non-provable in the general case

asciilifeform: somewhat perverted understanding here

asciilifeform: (not by demonstration. but by deduction)

asciilifeform: it provably exists

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if waste of time, then what is the correct answer that machine like 'scalpl' is actually approximating when it grinds ?

asciilifeform: the 'purpose' thing is just a demented lens for viewing anything

asciilifeform: does steam 'mean to' burst a boiler with plugged valve ?

asciilifeform: at all times

asciilifeform: the mouse is only really alive because he tries to go through the glass bottle

asciilifeform read time machine stories as a kid just like everybody else

asciilifeform: sure

asciilifeform: 'butterfly' ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't 'believe in' infinitesimals either, does he

asciilifeform can see where mircea_popescu is going - 'no clockwork universe' - but a trading engine in sufficiently small time span does behave rather like a clockwork universe

asciilifeform: therefore one or more possible strings would result in max C'

asciilifeform: say we limit the length of the string

asciilifeform: it's an existence proof

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: defined as 'what bits would you send back in time to time T1, if you could, from time T2, to maximize profit from investing C coin'

asciilifeform: yet one or more optimal play variants must exist (in the sense the 'optimal' minimax game of chess exists. not in the sense that you could actually play that game or ever see so much as one move of it in life)

asciilifeform suspected

asciilifeform: of that crud

asciilifeform: was flipping through search results

asciilifeform: aha, it's like the decision of how many thousand volts to use in electric chair

asciilifeform: severe head trauma in childhood ?

asciilifeform: why would you have dead routines in your own source?

asciilifeform examines source of 'gnatelim' and it appears that it is only able to snip dead code that is -actually represented in your source-

asciilifeform: apparently no one actually reads it in earnest

asciilifeform was just ip-banned by 'github' for 'too many requests from your addr'

asciilifeform: by anyone ?

asciilifeform: has gnatelim -ever- been fired in anger?

asciilifeform: https://github.com/search?q=gnatelim&type=Code << who can find anything there which isn't a) word salad or b) part of gcc ?

asciilifeform: as always happens in a collapsing police state

asciilifeform: wait till they switch from plain static robbery to racket

asciilifeform: if ever 'caught'

asciilifeform: incidentally, you will not necessarily go to jail - but the duffel bag - will.

asciilifeform: laundries are as old as the state itself

asciilifeform is aware that we're probably boring the folks outside the u.s. zoolag to tears

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: for a 'legit' firm, that keeps a single set of books and files taxes, etc

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: but, like most folks in my profession, in 'legit' electric bzollarz

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i don't get paid in benjies

asciilifeform: trinque: (a token sum was collected, but no one could be evicted for any reason short of death or having new digs in prison)

asciilifeform: trinque: know that no one in the ussr needed to pay rent

asciilifeform: trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply

asciilifeform: (what passes for money in this part of the world)

asciilifeform: these get paid in money

asciilifeform: but contractor