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mircea_popescu: half of leningrad died in one night because a bunch of people "weren't really doing" what they were doing.
asciilifeform: as i understand, a genuine 'useful idiot' by definition has to act unwittingly
thestringpuller: I can't write software so I wrote a book!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's exactly that parallel: both teams of tards belong to a religion sans eglise
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
bounce: the google translation contains a typical english grammar error (it's instead of its). how chinesely interesting.
assbot: truthermn2 comments on A moment of silence please...
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/2ismvu/a_moment_of_silence_please/cl5cedf
mircea_popescu: bounce not a problem of science, of course, but a problem of scientists, actual and aspiring.
bounce: more of a problem with politics' unhealthy relationship with science-as-convenient-truth than a problem in science. though science has its share of problems.
mircea_popescu: because no, no study produced by ANY PERSON who ever produced a "global warming" piece of "research" can ever be used for any scientific purpose whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: bounce not nearly as hard as a compiler, if you mean a tight optimizing compiler. otherwise, rms has been writing compilers in a day and a half on emacs.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, a shame the website thought it would be a good idea to use javascript popups as links
bounce: no idea how many man-hours or how it compares to, say, implementing a new compiler for some nicely convoluted language.
mircea_popescu: making it take off and become what EVERYONE uses is going to be a lot more work than that.
bounce: oh, you can implement a tcp/ip stack, apparently not too much work. making it work well, especially tcp, is going to be a bit more work though.
mircea_popescu: but it is. and you can repeat with own hands, as a model
asciilifeform: people act as if tcp/ip were a moon rocket
bounce: you'd need a tcp/ip stack linked to your program meaning that as soon as it quits the box is off the 'net, but whatever it's configured to use it'll use.
mircea_popescu: bounce i think stan's a bit of a masochist rly.
bounce: "something as hardware nonspecific as possible" meaning the shittiest and slowest option you can think of is a bit of a non-argument really.
mircea_popescu: well if that's how you're going to go about it, how about running deathtrack in an emulator while linux handles bitcoin and call it a msdos bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: communicate with net through slip, via one serial line; accept commands & return output through another; deal with key material through a third.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes, inasmuch as afaik it's compiled on 16 bit with a bunch of strange as what's maxint. won't even be able to reference half the arrays becayse they smash various stacks
asciilifeform: if seriously considering this, note that you will need a number of nontrivial bolt-ons - ability to mount >2gb file system, for one thing
mircea_popescu: a qt based video game ? no.
thestringpuller: as opposed to say a video game...
mircea_popescu: kinda my point. bitcoind makes a bunch of assumptions about what it can do to the internet
pete_dushenski: following footnote added to "the node guide": Disclaimer! This Guide sets up the latest version of bitcoind, which is obviously a piece of fucking Bitcoin Fundation shit on a stick. This Guide will be updated with instructions on setting up bitcoind 0.6-0.7 asap.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pankkake hey listen, how much would you want to compile and sign a bunch of code ? specifically eulora codebase and proper bitcoind (.6-.7 versions) ? gentoo and whatever else you can stomach.
asciilifeform: did somebody once put up a bounty for ms-dos build of bitcoind ('slip/ppp' over rs232 for netpipe, presumably) ? or did i dream this
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ketchup is fine. just have to have a little direction :)
mircea_popescu: anyone want to do a bunch of compiling and sign stuff ?
mircea_popescu: but actually his is a legitimate request. i guess im adding this to the "wanted maintainer for eulora binaries" thing : wanted maintainer for bitcoin binaries.
mircea_popescu: generally the people involved in bitcoin to this level kinda have the history, and a complete file of historical versions and so on.
mircea_popescu: or if you trust anyone, you get a binary from them
pete_dushenski: 0.9.3 is obviously dirt but how would one go about installing 0.6.x on a vps? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for running a node you mean ?
pete_dushenski: so i riffed off pankkake's node tutorial and inserted a few more instructions
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/10/guide-to-setting-up-a-remote-bitcoin-node-for-20-per-year/
thickasthieves: the curve would drop off at a point, right?
asciilifeform: afaik nobody actually cares how many pictures of ben franklin one can get for 1 btc. but if 1 btc buys, say, computer, or tractor, or half a year of food, etc. ☟︎
mike_c: I feel a little dirty. I'm getting more traffic from google now because I have a page for every bitbet. oops.
asciilifeform: (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie)
asciilifeform: re: gentoo & ljr: i'd like to suggest a new patch to the latest bitcoind. if the day of the month is odd, format hdd.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea good times. punkman says he's making progress on a pyth version
thickasthieves: it's a lot for a Bitfunder, sure
bounce: why does one need a million to start an exchange?
bounce: well, that's something. IMO a blacklist on actors in the system is still entirely the wrong thing to even have. if you want to filter "abusive" txes you'd have to have some objective measure and preferrably a deterministic detection algorithm of abusiveness.
BingoBoingo: I'll be back in a few hours
mircea_popescu: a right you are. http://www.majesticseo.com/charts/backlinks-discovery-chart/qntra.net?w=677&h=200&IndexDataSource=F << looks much better
gribble: You rated user molokodesk on Tue Sep 30 07:54:20 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again..
mircea_popescu: if you're the sort of gentoo/linux/foss user that downloads and runs buggy pieces of shit, you're expected to either a) be conversant in code and fix em or else b) not run production.
bounce: well, at least someone thought up a nice logo for bitcoind-ljr.
mircea_popescu: look, it's really simple. gentoo doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, it's yet another crackpot app as far as they're concerned. at some internal review it was determined it's much too buggy to be in main, and so it got put wherever they put retarded shit, and put someone in charge of it, in this case luke. the someone in charge is doing weird shit to it, as you'd expect of someone in charge of a buggy piece of shit not
thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is a thing
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the reference code is a thing
mircea_popescu: as per usual, reddit makes a mess of things. they're like ten year olds, those people. "o did you hear sugar kills ? sure, it killed sam's dog!"
Luke-Jr: bounce: it's better than nothing, until we have a better spam filter implementation
mircea_popescu: in fact, anyone with the werewithal to boycott as much as a donut stand can just as well patch out whatever.
mircea_popescu: hardly a reason to "boycott gentoo"
mircea_popescu: gentoo decided they'll let bitcoin in there as a luke thing.
thickasthieves: this turned into a whole fud in the trader chat, theyre all FINCEN WANTZ BLACKLISTSZ!
bounce: it's a curious discussion. he gets to patch the gentoo bitcoind because he's a core dev? why isn't that patch in mainline then?
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of: 01:00 <#bitcoin-dev> petertoddgwillen: haha, yeah they do - mircea popescu had me buy him SomethingAwful passes with my credit card a few times so he could troll there
mircea_popescu: they go to the pink sheets, to live as one of a few well specified chumpatron models
assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#comment-108628
mircea_popescu: generally, the proposition that you'll "go to heaven" through a certain recipe is doomed to create monsters
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km. << unless someone/thing tried to lift it prior
pete_dushenski: i guess i shoulda written "maybe you can start a branch of judaism too!"
pete_dushenski: "Methodism is like Mormonism in that it follows the life and teachings of a recently living man. Methodism follows Britain John Wesley (1703–1791) and Mormonism follows American Joseph Smith (1805–1844). Maybe you can start a branch of Christianity too!"
assbot: Thank Your Lucky Trolls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: i think i just mentioned that in a footnote recently...
decimation: lol mormon as a branch of methodist
mircea_popescu: has a point.
assbot: Fullnode.co is a scam | pankkake
pete_dushenski: praise be to pankkake for calling their ass out back in june http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam/
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
cazalla: he shows his kid a bitcoin difficulty chart and says look at all the people mining, these bfls are shit so im selling em
mircea_popescu: "As he packs up his BFL units to sell, he explains to his son that he threw away his bitcoins and their future because he is stupid and ignored MPOE-PR's posts on Bitcoin Talk. Despite all of this, Dan continues to wear his Butterfly Labs t-shirt till the end of the film, as if it is a remnant, a small piece of a future he will not enjoy."
mircea_popescu: this'd be a decent idea for an oglaf strip : a retarded indian that doesn't quite grok the entire scalping business so he's going around with a string of pubic hair patches
assbot: Need a number of lines.
decimation: hehe a gift to neptune
decimation: I saw the "H1" clock at the Greenwich observatory, it was a fancy machine
asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km.
decimation: nope, it would take a few $1,000 in ovenized crystal oscillators and/or rubidium (rubidium clocks have a finite lifetime though)
thestringpuller: i remember there was a large bounty for the chronometer during it's inception
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed, the first step for someone considering 'off-the-grid' navigation would be to find a way to keep the 'fire' of accurate time burning without external aid
thestringpuller: well you didn't have a "torch" of time when you left the mainland...at some point watches didn't exist.
asciilifeform: building machines today that can be counted on 50 years from now - is a solvable problem.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's funny how a quartz watch does what a very expensive device did during the 1700's.
asciilifeform: 100k being a very conservative figure.
thestringpuller: i understand. my imagination likes to run wild. I was thinking of trusting a >$100k fortune in BTC to a paper wallet via treasure hiding, vs. the so-called "secure" hardware wallets
thestringpuller: this also intrigued me about dropping a message in a bottle down the marianas trench...
thestringpuller: the titanic hid all but lost treasures for nearly a century...
thestringpuller: looks like nothing is as secure as a good 'ol paper wallet buried like old school treasure.
thestringpuller: lol. sounds like a mole. "trust our wallet". vendor uses backdoor to steal all the consumer funds.
asciilifeform: depends also if pwned by theorist in a garret somewhere, or by vendor, by design, for mass vacuuming
asciilifeform: afaik that isn't even a 'hardware wallet'