log☇︎
206700+ entries in 0.135s
asciilifeform: lulcoinz: it's the bitcoin you used in 2011. ~21,000 lines, and shrinking. ( and no 'headers-first' pseudo-verification idiocy, no leveldb, no p2sh, no githubism, no dns, no glibc, various other 'noes'. large collection of exquisite noes.)
ben_vulpes: the 0.5.3 codebase, dug out of the ground, polished and oiled into ~usability
ben_vulpes: yeah ~right. segwit, aka "blockchains that don't validate" isn't a thing, and "bitcoin unlimited" wtf is that even
lulcoinz: what is a trb node (sorry for my ignorance)
lulcoinz: my understanding is this group doesn't really support segwit or BU ☟︎
ben_vulpes: no but seriously, why even bother hoping? run a trb node, insulate yourself from the retardation.
lulcoinz: if there is a god, I don't think he gives a shit my (or anyone elses) prayers :)
ben_vulpes: same q though, why "hope"?
ben_vulpes: (given how time, statists, and physics work, more phorks are nearly inevitable)
lulcoinz: i'm not the religious type, i'm more agnostic
lulcoinz: so do you guys think there will actually be a hard fork anytime soon?
shinohai: In more "We desperately want to be like trilema" news: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/bech32/demo/demo.html
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a "nodictionaries" for russian? ☟︎
shinohai: Ba dumm tiss ( *rotten to the CORE*)
ben_vulpes: yeah well everyone is wising up to the fact that bcc/bcu are rotten to the cire
shinohai: We can trade on forks that don't even exist yet!
ben_vulpes: WHERE ARE THE TRB TOKENS, EH?
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i saw that and laughed uproariously
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'extruded product' << You know, the most consistently high quality American products of the day appear to be made by "Rubbermaid Commercial Products" (not to be confused with Rubbermaid Consumer Products), best trashcans!
trinque: didn't yet turn up why
trinque tried, got segfault upon running the binary
asciilifeform: ( anyone here tried trb on bigendian ? i -- have not )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : g5 is valuable , on top of other reasons, to test 'bigendian' behaviours of various proggies.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/C6pH9/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: gosh golly, "pushing the envelope" was such a quaint affair in 1985.
mircea_popescu: sounds like bbs to me.
mircea_popescu: "i don't give a shit about rutherford's labels" dun reduce to "there were none" except in your own frame.
asciilifeform: 'one time we got lost in the woods, and i was afraid that i would have to eat Tippy. then we were rescued, and i put Tippy back into the fridge, next to the other sandwiches.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not according to the many folks.
mircea_popescu: "does that mean the other jar couldn't then replace this one ?" "that's EXACTLY what it means!"
mircea_popescu: "why did you put the label on the jar, mr rutherford ?" "to distinguish it from another jar."
mircea_popescu: nobody with a name is replaceable. this follows from the definitions.
asciilifeform: (which sadly was not so, he turned out... nonreplaceable, himself.)
asciilifeform: and yes, stalin famously uttered the sage wisdom, 'we ain't got any nonreplaceable people here'
mircea_popescu: yes, mp so likes. but this is special pleading. mp also likes women, bacteria dishes, boys in this order.
asciilifeform: somehow i suspect that when mircea_popescu gets into an airplane, he would like to find that it has triply- or higher- redundant avionics system, rather than 'oh it is redundant because if this one goes down, there will be another plane, with some other bloke in it, some other day, dun worry.'
trinque: asciilifeform: same sloshing of equilibrium when you kill those bacteria, depending on which you got
asciilifeform: well the geological europe aint going anywhere, no
asciilifeform: it'll close strictly in the 'hunchback will straighten in his grave' sense.
mircea_popescu: just like the mongols did.
asciilifeform: that will not likely close, it'll be pushing up the flowers.
asciilifeform: trinque: uniquely bad example, ww1+2 put a very permanent, i suspect, hole through 'euro civilization'
mircea_popescu: also trinque's. gotta use large enough dishes.
trinque: man does the same at scale
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again, not 'arbitrary' for purpose of subj , put a bullet ( or dose of gamma, or whatnot ) through bacterial culture, and it closes the hole in a few hrs, and who could say there ever was a hole. but try same hole through mouse, or man.
trinque: I dunno what changes there distinct from you falling asleep in one spot, being moved 5ft over, and waking up
asciilifeform: (i'd quite happily walk into the mythical teleporter, for instance.)
mircea_popescu: so then you know, arbitrarily defined cell collection is arbitrarily defined cell collection. hoop.
mircea_popescu: ~no cells present at your birth are still there, seems to not bother your sense of identity.
mircea_popescu: nor, for that matter, do you.
asciilifeform: ( it is not even really correct to say 'one bacterium readily stands in for another', the dish does not live and die 'as group' )
mircea_popescu: not EXACTLY. just, substitute to your standards.
asciilifeform: whereas if instead of dish you have a mouse, having such things as white cells, liver, other 'specialized parts', then considerably higher bar.
asciilifeform: but does relate to the radiation thing, deinococcus radiodurans laughs at dose that's thermonuke every other living thing, but it very much helps that one deinococcus radiodurans is readily 'fungible', will substitute for any other in the dish.
mircea_popescu: naught besides the obvious "happens in a head".
mircea_popescu: well, very little to do, let's say
asciilifeform: 0 to do with the psychiatric 'i'm speshul!' tho.
asciilifeform: speaking strictly of the elementary diff b/w 'man and fungus'
asciilifeform: normally 'special' because 'specialized multi-cell organs', rather than simply 'glued'
mircea_popescu: (this is just a play on the fundamental fact that THERE IS NO MEANING IN NATURE. there's no such thing as "people" or "individual" or "life" or "god" etc irl. all psychogenic noise, the happenstance branches of your own process of organizing the exterior, unrelated to the exterior.)
mircea_popescu: myeah. though if it's proper to speak of you as individual, why exactly not of 1 bn worth of bacterial cells together ?
asciilifeform: quite elementarily 'species -- needs', otherwise ~0 mutation and ~0 adaptation to changing environs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky, conflates 'individual needs' with 'species needs'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on contemplation, the need-radiation organisms are probably bacteria. i imagine it figures heftily in the "endless adaptability of life on earth" for anything with short (subweek ?) cycles. from coprophyta to drosophila, most of the biomass.
trinque: what loser did you ever meet who was solidly convinced of the truth?
trinque: quite the contrary
trinque: but I don't think the person's reasoning involves their uselessness
asciilifeform: and who is to even say who they are. programmer, growing sclerotic in his chair, does he die more slowly than the radium girl ?
ben_vulpes: but won't kill quite so many folks this time.
asciilifeform: to maybe revisit upstack, some folx 'marginal' and have very little to offer economically other than 'morts', 'willing to clear mines', 'clean melted reactor'
trinque: ben_vulpes: ah nothing will stand up through the next big san andreas fault slip
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 03:47 mircea_popescu: imagine if in a few years the actual fucking chunks of metal are the point of worship. "oh man, that's tech! who can make straight angles anymore!"
trinque: thorium in the walls is right up there with mircea_popescu's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629337 ☝︎
trinque: I can't think of any better use for that.
asciilifeform: (typically outside wall -- pressed ash, complete with thorium, yes)
asciilifeform: ( most americans live in cardboard dwellings. but they work, shop, idle about, in cinderblock walls. )
asciilifeform: the waste -- WILL be used. to build.
asciilifeform: notably nobody ever gets asked 'wouldja like to...'
mircea_popescu: cinderblock ie, "wouldn't you like to lvie in a hut made of concentrated furnace waste" ?
a111: Logged on 2015-05-01 03:02 asciilifeform: re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material
asciilifeform: recall the thread re the cathedral roofs ?
mircea_popescu: "they don't make 'em like they used to" "well, they didn't use to have to use sr-90 / ca-40 mix!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cinderblock (usa) is a champ. followed by 'fancy' tiles (granite, various)
mircea_popescu: yeah, this is a good point, huh.
asciilifeform: notice the difference.
asciilifeform: what even counts as 'background'. fun exercise is to take ordinary geiger and try in a room with -- then without -- people.
mircea_popescu: nobody needs it. then again, background radiation does ~0, give or take a few cancers
asciilifeform: as in 'creatures evolved with a detectable background, they NEED it' or, in weaker form, 'it does 0 to them'
mircea_popescu: in some cancers, but even then dubious as all hell.
mircea_popescu: oh that, definitely not.
mircea_popescu: sure it did. most therapy is based on toxic agents.
asciilifeform: dunno that the 'hormesis' hypothesis ever panned out
mircea_popescu: in fact, there's quite nothing in chemistry like radiation. all poisons eventually kill everyone as you increase the dosage. even water. radiation however...
asciilifeform: she could've been valuable experimental subject for the radioprotectant pharama folx (never heard of'em ? subj went out of style, at least publicly, in 1970s afaik)
mircea_popescu: radiation is noxious not toxic. it culls the herd, doesn't end it.
asciilifeform: btw i recently heard that the 'last radium gurl' died in 2014. apparently there are folx who are unkillable even by it.
mircea_popescu: and tomorrow -- it's jawtime!
mircea_popescu: chucka sleeps warm in the taiga tonight.
mircea_popescu: look at all the "bitcoin ceos". i ask them this... and they think... i insulted them.