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asciilifeform: it ain't a virgin field
asciilifeform: how to prove that the other N-1 players, other than yourself, ain't sybils
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't work without withening ; or in other words : he intelligently used the otherwise useless whitening step as an assurance provider. was pretty clever move, esp considering the standard for intelligence at the time.
asciilifeform: and that all the other players' nonces aren't hashwaltzes
asciilifeform: of course you still can't prove that the house was not 'btcmining' the hash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seed is a combo of site-produced TRNG entropy and player-set (with defaults if playher doesn't feel like setting). you can change your portion at any time. ☟︎
asciilifeform: wasn't proposed as a standard part of fg delivery lol
asciilifeform: wasn't even thinking of commission. but abstract 'here'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't want to commission back in 2013 or so because i don't recall, something about how doesn't want to lose the spirit or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709181 << quite. and as the femme alf says, "they don't even know it exists". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "what if we pretend problem doesn't exist ?" "well... it'll catch up with you eventually" "But after i vest, right ?" "probably..."
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:51 asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
mircea_popescu: good thing we didn't read the pdfs.
mircea_popescu: so as i was saying -- we don't have to usg.dumb sign anything.
mircea_popescu: and i don't think it's necessarily a bad solution, which is why i said there are others.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, i also have no proof in your sense the slavegirls ain't cheating on me.
asciilifeform: that ain't a zero.
asciilifeform: i don't see a zero
mircea_popescu: i don't follow.
trinque: doesn't that successfuly diminish the likelihood of a usable collision?
asciilifeform: there ain't no such thing as fulltext signing if fulltext is bigger than your modulus ( and padding also takes space )
trinque: this isn't gnutella flatland
asciilifeform: you can't treat hashes as 1:1 with your set.
asciilifeform: this is kinda why asciilifeform isn't overly fond of hashing .
trinque: it's a fact there's a log line, and also a fact a phfnode said about it, I saw at time T
trinque: *aren't
trinque: isn't any very good reason why phf's style and ben_vulpes's style are both facts expressed in some datastructure, identified by their respective hashes.
Barbarossa_: can't argue with that, though there is admittedly some selection bias: only Romanians I know are professional gamblers
mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone but idiots and poor orcs still in that shithole. romanians fine example of both categories.
mircea_popescu: honestly i wasn't imagining anything beyond a http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#selection-153.0-153.35 sorta thing.
Barbarossa_: hot Romanian females deal in the UK; .ro d00ds aren't impressed
mircea_popescu: i can't even parse that, wtf is "romanian gamblers", and what is "their womenfolk" and what is voluptuous here and so on.
Barbarossa_: they don't seem to date them
trinque: isn't a misuse, yes, but search UI is not implemented with it.
Barbarossa_: no worries - didn't mean to besmirch your character - just not waste your time
Barbarossa_: I didn't care myself - until bitcoin existed
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i haven't any notion, maybe he runs them near his particle accelerator's beamline, wat.
Barbarossa_: didn't wanna say yes, then have to delay a week getting ready to actually buy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i don't know specifically what.
asciilifeform: wasn't obvious
Barbarossa_: I don't actually mind paying retail, thanks though!
asciilifeform: ( but it won't be cheap. )
Barbarossa_: don't get me wrong: I'm mostly just trying to wrangle for an even cheaper implementation of gold standard entropy (despite not being a joo)
asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it fails because -- in the particular example i gave -- it ain't 1:1
trinque: it looks like the hash of an item, and whatever thing is showing me logs either knows what it is, or doesn't
asciilifeform: but say it DIDN'T handle posts...
trinque: maybe bot's offline, can't eat
trinque: by your line of questioning kad can't search
trinque: and whichever peers have it or don't
trinque: I don't keep 'em in head, but hostfile
mircea_popescu: we infect it ; it doesn't infect us.
trinque: can even shake the thing like a monkey if you didn't mean it!
asciilifeform: because you ain't remembering, you're megaphoning
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 07:36 mircea_popescu: in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
asciilifeform: mod6: it ain't an everybody-go-buy-9999 item imho
mircea_popescu: in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was. ☟︎
diana_coman: lol at this idea that "completely anonymous" = "don't use your real name"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 05:10 AlfredAlfer: say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
mircea_popescu: i couldn't have aged that much in a few years!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, back in say 2014-2015 we had 1.5-2k-2.5k line logs and it wasn't such a load. but the lines musta gotten denser or something, because even 1k nowadays is like... god.
mod6: not sure why i didn't notice before, but I just realized where the tit id's come from. heheh
mircea_popescu: haven't had you yet.
AlfredAlfer: well I don't want you to think I'm that dumb haha
mircea_popescu: they don't learn, they just parrot. and it only works if people are banal.
mircea_popescu: because it didn't actually learn anything. it's exact equivalent of exam stuffing, implemented by computers.
AlfredAlfer: Seoul isn't just asian tho.. it's like everything. They've mastered the food. They do fine fried chicken. Better than the blacks.
AlfredAlfer: food is amazing, and everywhere though. I don't know how they stay so slim.
mircea_popescu: doesn't sound too bad.
mircea_popescu: i don't!
mircea_popescu: i don't.
mircea_popescu: well yes because they eat crap. but you don't have to.
AlfredAlfer: you're so out of their league they can't even fathom you
AlfredAlfer: Ohhh hh i'm sure you could fill my head for weeks and I wouldn't know a fraction
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of history you don't know.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 05:23 mircea_popescu: http://91.218.246.33/2017/beating-that-spark-of-heaven/ << and i don't mean just the root, either.
mircea_popescu: if something like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708428 doesn't make the point for him i dunno what would. ☝︎
AlfredAlfer: boxxy didn't have a rack like mine
AlfredAlfer: but no i'm just kidding. I wouldn't do it anyway.
AlfredAlfer: HAhahha. I did screenshot some of the solutions you wrote, if you didn't mind.
mircea_popescu: provided he doesn't go "fuck! why didn't i think of that!" when you show him the convo.
AlfredAlfer: but isn't the archive also located on the same server?
mircea_popescu: many people don't know many things that they should know. it's kinda what nato even means by now, "you have this but not that ?!?!"
AlfredAlfer: Why the fuck isn't the stormer doing that
mircea_popescu: anyway. no, i don't expect it's "impenetrable" in any sense.
AlfredAlfer: The only thing I've seen before that I thought would be an alternate internet was maidsafe, but it doesn't seem to be making any moves
AlfredAlfer: link won't work
AlfredAlfer: you can't get to any vid or just this one?
AlfredAlfer: why can't you?
mircea_popescu: well, i think it sucks, because i can't play their content.
mircea_popescu: won't play for me ;/
trinque: cazalla: can't argue with it; same exact notion re: raising awareness, for sure.
trinque: well... aren't you playing "down with usg except for the bill of rights; really we just mean usg but we want christmas back"
cazalla: trinque, sure, but i'm talking about the Cantwell types who go to a march, stand there while they get shit, piss and acid thrown on them but don't even fire upon them, why bother even showing up then? just to larp
mircea_popescu: trinque he's just bitter cuz he didn't get to shoot anyone.
AlfredAlfer: But I wouldn't consider it larping. Helmets and shields are necessary when you're getting acid thrown in your eyes.
trinque: can't see the sanity in anything else
mircea_popescu: that couldn't have been in 2016 ?
mircea_popescu: they can't make a boat. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
AlfredAlfer: Oh yes, they wanted to have me as a regular on the Shoah but I was displaced at the moment and couldn't commit