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asciilifeform: mr mold decided that he was anxious to remain alive. i can't really see why.
asciilifeform: ( http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/eaip_04 )
asciilifeform: The youth: ‘So that I can get on with my work, of course.’
asciilifeform: Orwell: ‘But why are you so anxious to remain alive?’
asciilifeform: The youth: ‘That would be just too bad.’
asciilifeform: Orwell: ‘And shoot people like me?’
asciilifeform: The youth: ‘Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me.’
asciilifeform: Orwell: ‘Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis?’
asciilifeform: brings to mind,
asciilifeform: but can't even tell now.
asciilifeform: i actually read his 'all bitcoin users will be gassed' thing as honest defeatism
asciilifeform: and sorta wanted to get back to these two highlights of his youth
asciilifeform: close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic
asciilifeform: lol, what color ?
asciilifeform: they'll eat their pants before admitting it's 'usg bitcoin'
asciilifeform: related.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044648 << for others reading ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread ?
asciilifeform: my brother had one - i had the other
asciilifeform: (and the occasional floppy/pc)
asciilifeform: must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu.
asciilifeform has a list.
asciilifeform: will also accept pike's 'unix prog. envir.'
asciilifeform: i humbly request a copy of r. stevens's 'tcp/ip' bound in his skin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, exists
asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085084
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084194
asciilifeform: (dns removal. but one more tumour growth left, the external-ip getter)
asciilifeform: i think we shot (a) in the head
asciilifeform: that we tried to fire and somehow surprised
asciilifeform: because 4) we have a rusted-solid 'luger' from 1941
asciilifeform: and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity
asciilifeform: but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build
asciilifeform: (on what? modest box circa '07)
asciilifeform admits he tried
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not - can.
asciilifeform: or even month later.
asciilifeform: but what is the alternative whereby each of us ends up with 1) EXACTLY same machine 2) one we can still get 1000 years later
asciilifeform: which is what emulator amounts to.
asciilifeform: ideally i would not even suggest something as terrifyingly unpleasant as - in effect - giving everyone a 486.
asciilifeform: technically -yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right, but in the same way as a fella taking penicillin is 'swallowing poison'
asciilifeform: or it runs in my head & a pencil
asciilifeform: or, or
asciilifeform: or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room
asciilifeform: or soviet 'iskra'
asciilifeform: try read internals of 'pentium I'
asciilifeform: at least emulator code - i can sit down & read.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you dig out your old laptop with 'pentium I', guess what you're pulling in
asciilifeform: but think of it as a skyscraper foundation. there is tremendous pressure on it
asciilifeform: that's the thing, bug in emulator is catastrophic
asciilifeform: in the way that we are too poor (yes, poor) to do with tangible machine yet.
asciilifeform: that can be replicated
asciilifeform: suggested nailing down a machine spec
asciilifeform: that'd be a monumentally strange thing to do. but not what suggested.
asciilifeform: can, why not.
asciilifeform: yes, the bin. small enough to eventually disasm & read.
asciilifeform: as in 'here they are and this they shall be in 3015 running on Aldan-XVIII cpu'
asciilifeform: as in, putting an actual cork in the os/libs/cpu/etc
asciilifeform: using -known- set of mechanisms.
asciilifeform: but to cross-compile for normal machine (ibmpc, pogo, vax, whatever)
asciilifeform: anyway the point, again, would not be to ever -run- bitcoind in the dog-slow emulated linux
asciilifeform: spend on burial.
asciilifeform: win turing prize.
asciilifeform: why not << because no reason to take 25x cpu hit
asciilifeform: most of what passes for my day job - yes
asciilifeform: 'this' - no
asciilifeform: for fucks sake, they exist and i use them every day for past decade.
asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor') ☟︎
asciilifeform: 2nd 'stator'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is lieke 90% of what i'd want a 2nd pet for
asciilifeform: same idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes, you can take the contents of the emulator and - if it exists and you have it in your collection - run it on physical iron
asciilifeform: x86_64 contains specific provisions for running a process in 'short' (x86) mode
asciilifeform: 32 is subset
asciilifeform: emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion.
asciilifeform: hypervisor requires host and guest architectures to be same.
asciilifeform: very major point in practice
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the short version of the difference is that a 'hypervisor' emulates -certain- instructions, that are understood to modify the global state of the machine in ways which would allow the guest os to monopolize the hardware (e.g., write a block to the disk at index I) whereas an emulator emulates -all- instructions executed by the guest
asciilifeform: actually the rub with hypervisor is that the 'guest' -can- affect the 'host' quite often.
asciilifeform: hypervisor has a specific meaning
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: because we are essentially interpreting the snes instructions
asciilifeform: and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus
asciilifeform: works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have a confusion of terminology here. an emulator is, for instance, 'zsnes' - popular 'super nintendo' emul
asciilifeform: popular hypervisor: vmware
asciilifeform: hypervisor is a very other animal, where certain instructions are emulated ('sensitive' ring0 ones) while most execute naked.
asciilifeform: or vax on pc
asciilifeform: can emulate pc on vax
asciilifeform: when used as classical qemu (with accelerator) there is no hypervisor
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: magic?
asciilifeform: of fuck knows what provenance.
asciilifeform: possibly, very slowly, out of antiquarian collectible parts.
asciilifeform: e.g., i literally can't buy my main pc again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that the pc architecture (as a standard that you can hard-hold a vendor to) is dead.
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: i still miss that thing.