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mircea_popescu: you telling me the rsa e must be a fermat prime ? why ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 65537 is not a mersenne prime either. what did i step into ?
mircea_popescu: ah that's a point.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fixed count on bits << easy as a fart. start with the bits, then shuffle with rng transpositions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one's for when you built a Si fab
mircea_popescu: on a postcard.
mircea_popescu: i guess he delivers a copy of the above ?
asciilifeform: but with pure-rsa, enciphering on a generic pc will be a suicidal act.
asciilifeform: don't misunderstand, i like the 'fixed fields' idea, but am also aware that shitgnome excretions in a hundred places in commonplace toolchains will silently screw with it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thgis is more an aesthetic consideratyion. ditching symmetric cyphers is the more substantial thing, and since a reimplementation happenes, might as well add aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: why even bother with a proper init, use systemd
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 14:00:51; mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
asciilifeform: this wouldn't be a problem except if you have fixed fields
mircea_popescu: much simpler machines to work it if it knows a straight offset
mircea_popescu: in that example, a 256 byte fixed sigspace.
mircea_popescu: add to that a fixed-offset clearsigned thing, all of a sudden there's good reason to implement
mircea_popescu: you know, thinking about this, i think i actyally want pgp reimplemented. usgavin's speshul maths about how things improve make me realise that having a pure rsa based code rather than the current encode a symmetric chypher method is perhaps feasible.
asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help you if you drop a stack
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch <<< detached sigs are in fact a reimplementation of the old punch cards
asciilifeform configurable with loopback approach << regards the whole orchestra as eminently obvious to anyone who thinks hard, and that all this can be done by the folks here without breaking a sweat
mircea_popescu: hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk << wait, i thought you... HAD ONE
mircea_popescu: then people can be really secure built from the ground up by running a coupla vms on the same machine :D
mircea_popescu: anything's a good excuse.
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game << dude you were in a different ukraine or what ? i have yet to meet a uk chick that doesn't drink.
decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this could make a good comic premise, incidentally.
mircea_popescu does not deliberately check out males he doesn't know. busting into the life of a woman is one thing, but a dude...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what'd you do with a time machine << lol, obviously, hop in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd you do with a time machine ?
asciilifeform can't help but remember ancient, trashy soviet film about an inventor kid, who builds a magic time-machine thingie from a phone booth, and retrieves, inevitably - grandpa lenin - who smiles and approves of his life
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages << and suddenly, a feasible appears!
mircea_popescu: undata: and they will spend it how? << don't be silly. every place with intenret has a bitcoin trader by now.
asciilifeform: this would be a most peculiar time for mr. s to come back from the dead.
mod6: need to figure out if we should add in jurov or what's happening there. then we need a pub address.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 maybe you just get lapdances from b-a slut co.
asciilifeform: satoshi << hilarious gedankenexperiment! if a patch shows up signed with his key, is it to be considered?
jurov: and you forgot to add satoshi as a cochair</troll>
mod6: yeah, i think it was decided that we'd put that in a seperate document.
asciilifeform: the signed patches should provide watertight alibis for the innocent, and unquestionable smoking guns for the guilty - but a sufficiently 'pants and suspenders' approach should send a message to enemy against even trying.
jurov: btw if other people will sign a concrete patch, that prevents later diddling anyway
asciilifeform: at any rate, it seems like we're on the path to a 'patch-chain' - so no chance of authorship being permanently obscured, unless everyone somehow manages to lose his backup
asciilifeform: as per kakobrekla's stern warning some weeks ago, a full-bore approach (complete with future gallows) for shitgnomes has the flipside of needing to ensure against ending up swinging there by mistake.
mircea_popescu: it is cemented in a pretty good form
jurov: and i don't see a value iin redoing the browsable archives that mailman generates
mircea_popescu: jurov use it directly to post as a mail list ?
jurov: asciilifeform: how? generate a deed for every patch?
gribble: You rated user punkman on Fri May 16 09:11:15 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Talent scout and secret agent..
punkman: Ragnar will run a mirror on somethin.deedbot.com
mircea_popescu: so mod6 ben_vulpes, do we have a charter to go in there ?
mircea_popescu: punkman if you want a dyi mirror, i can give you a cpanel ?
punkman: anyone wants to keep a mirror, I'll make the thing push bundles to you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah original spec called for keeping all the deeds, as a sort of primitive distributed backup
mircea_popescu: a dozen or so hashes to choose from don't really give any advantage
asciilifeform: there are even tricks to turn some extant models into a usable 'microscope.'
asciilifeform: modern optical mouse is actually a b&w camera with some dsp magic glued on.
asciilifeform: the mats (originally solid aluminum?) had reflective strips, a la road paint
asciilifeform: i own such a mouse, came with a prehistoric 'sun pizza box.' they have very little in common with modern optical mice - simply a pair of photodiodes and matching emitters
asciilifeform: punkman: can easily use the internals of a regular mouse for the electronics.
asciilifeform: punkman: a good amateur machining project might be a 'teflon' mouse.
ben_vulpes: punkman: a draft did, yeah. look for mod6's dpaste
punkman: I'd also like a mouse with less edges and crevices that accumulate gunk
asciilifeform: punkman: if you own a vacuum chamber - dry therein.
asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code.
ben_vulpes: i've a question about mining, for anyone who knows.
asciilifeform: i'll guess that he started with a clean satoshi-era snapshot - brought up to compatibility with extant network
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if it were trivial, it would've been done by a dilettante and result posted publicly.
asciilifeform: punkman: all rubber membrane keyboards (virtually anything you'll find in a store today) are washable.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: dafuq would anyone want a castrato 'model m' for
kakobrekla: who gives a shit?
gribble: Nicolas Bourbaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki>; Charles-Denis Bourbaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Denis_Bourbaki>; Bourbaki: A Secret Society of Mathematicians: Maurice Mashaal ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Bourbaki-A-Secret-Society-Mathematicians/dp/0821839675>
kakobrekla: is there a benefit to masking a team with a person?
undata: I was going to say wannabe FDR in a skirt, but I like 'clitler'
bounce: shitty website unless you have a shiny iTablet
asciilifeform: who was it who had the essay re: how rich folks use auctionable rarities as a kind of 'bitcoin' but with higher overhead costs ?
punkman: jurov: will make a standalone verifier for deeds
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle n/a ago
jurov: and apple-like walled garden regulation of whole computing industry is quite a different thing
asciilifeform: at any rate, btc mining is the 'fulda gap moment' for all of these folks. all the shitgnomery corrupting, subverting computing mechanisms of every kind - suddenly, it all had a purpose.
jurov: and quite a harm can arise from that
asciilifeform: the answer is - that it likely is. but - certain of its subjects, close to the chicken, will snatch opportunities to bolt on a new, mechanical head.
asciilifeform: musk, mr y, some nameless folks from usg, will get together very soon and - if you're known to own a sufficiently large cluster of whateverthefuck - you gotta register... ☟︎
asciilifeform: not a problem, until they knock on yer door, and say 'what's all this. you were looking into star drives, werentcha.'
asciilifeform: the other thing happening is that the lizardmen will never pass by a good excuse to 'regulate' (ban) powerful general-purpose computers.
asciilifeform: re: elon musk: two thing happening. a fella named yudkowsky has been pushing for 'regulate ai, or it will destroy us all!' line for a little short of a decade now. with him, of course, to be the fuhrer. (see lenat discussion. he considers anyone trying to resurrect lenat's work, assuming it wasn't fraudulent - we don't actually know this - to be a dangerous criminal worthy of extermination.)
kakobrekla: asciilifeform> kakobrekla: i linked this here a day or so ago < ah, i guess i have achieved absolute redundancy.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the author of the exe diddler was dumb enough to be spotted, too (why patch all exes, and not look for the download to be part of a realistic luser browser session? retarded)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i linked this here a day or so ago
bounce: which then causes extra rules and more bureaucrats "overseeing" the rules and whatnot. it's sort of scar tissue. about as useful, at least as much of a pain.
kakobrekla: i only glanced over a few files.
Vexual: mu back foot just turned into a claw
Adlai: oh so it's a youtube battle now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QrLgEgvHXo
Vexual: that makes me wanna play a song, you know this
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
Adlai: they realized that their audience in front of a few hundred students was much more valuable than their labor over a weekend
Adlai: the group that used their presentation chance the next week to advertise a local management consulting firm
Adlai: some groups opened up a car wash, some groups resold stuff from yard sales, etc
Adlai: reminds me of a story where a class (probably economics, or MBAs) had to figure out how to best monetize $100 (roughly) over the course of a weekend
cazalla: good for a laugh