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DeaDTerra: I get 5% :) and I got 7% before, though I was not heavily invested into Pirate, but I am convinced now.
mircea_popescu: actually, my lower tier will do 9%.
Chaaaang-Noi: its not hard to get 4.8 or 4.9% with a bit of trust :)
DeaDTerra: It is but not as good at 7% xD
Chaaaang-Noi: 5% a week is still freaking awesome
teek: DeaDTerra, 5% top tier
teek: mircea_popescu: i think i get it, thanks for the info.. so out of curiosity why would mixing something at .3% and something at 1% not be desirable?
Luceo: mircea_popescu: If you offer 15% outside bitcoin they'd call it a HYIP :P
mircea_popescu: i can't paste that with stuff doing 0.3% per week, even tho i understand that 15% pa is significant.
mircea_popescu: the ideea here is that im tranching 500 btc of mpoe bonds (yielding ~5% per month) + 500 btc of harnett's (yielding 1% per week).
usagi: .C will keep getting 8%+ a week until pirate crashes and that will be that
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah once i found out kludge was working with him i sold off bdk hard hard hard, i had 80% of it at one point
smickles: kakobrekla: what was wrong about it (i guess i was only looking at the %
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.38322596 BTC. Last price: 1.1385 BTC. Capital gain: 0.1385 BTC. Total: 0.52172596 BTC. (52.2%)
assbot: MPOE.ETF [100@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-03-08) paid: 0.852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 140 BTC. Total: 140.852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: MPOE.ETF [100@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-03-08) paid: 0.852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 14 BTC. Total: 140.852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-03-08) paid: 0.00852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 1.4 BTC. Total: 1.40852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-03-08) paid: 0.00852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 1.4 BTC. Total: 1.40852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
kakobrekla: 21:36.39 ( @assbot ) MPOE.ETF [100@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-03-08) paid: 0.852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 14 BTC. Total: 140.852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: SS [10@1BTC] (since: 2012-04-01) paid: 4.4535409 BTC. Last price: 1.9 BTC. Capital gain: 9 BTC. Total: 13.4535409 BTC. (134.5%)
assbot: MPOE.ETF [100@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-03-08) paid: 0.852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 14 BTC. Total: 140.852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: DMC [1@1BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.02 BTC. Capital gain: -0.98 BTC. Total: -0.95364186 BTC. (-95.4%)
assbot: DMC [1@1BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.02 BTC. Capital gain: -0.98 BTC. Total: -0.95364186 BTC. (-95.4%)
assbot: DMC [1@0.63BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.039 BTC. Capital gain: -0.591 BTC. Total: -0.56464186 BTC. (-89.6%)
assbot: DMC [1@0.63BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.04 BTC. Capital gain: -0.59 BTC. Total: -0.56364186 BTC. (-89.5%)
PsychoticBoy: about 15% will be invested in pirate
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.38322596 BTC. Last price: 1.139599 BTC. Capital gain: 0.139599 BTC. Total: 0.52282496 BTC. (52.3%)
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@2BTC] paid: 0.38322596 BTC. Last price: 1.139599 BTC. Capital gain: -0.860401 BTC. Total: -0.47717504 BTC. (-23.9%)
assbot: GIGAMINING [900@0.9BTC] (since: 2012-04-15) paid: 344.903364 BTC. Last price: 1.139599 BTC. Capital gain: 215.6391 BTC. Total: 560.542464 BTC. (69.2%)
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.38322596 BTC. Last price: 1.139599 BTC. Capital gain: 0.139599 BTC. Total: 0.52282496 BTC. (52.3%)
assbot: GIGAMINING [10@1.145BTC] (since: 2012-08-03) paid: 0.34825 BTC. Last price: 1.139599 BTC. Capital gain: -0.05401 BTC. Total: 0.29424 BTC. (2.6%)
assbot: ZIP.A [500@0.95BTC] (since: 2012-07-29) paid: 2.76743 BTC. Last price: 0.51 BTC. Capital gain: -22 BTC. Total: -217.23257 BTC. (-45.7%)
mircea_popescu: copumpkin i actually am thinking of taking the 5% rate out completely, and let it freefloat.
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob if either of those go i'd have to take out the "pick your own %"
mircea_popescu: but due to variance this could in any given interval be either -x% or +x%
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, bear with me. you have a math model that generates say 1%.
mircea_popescu: smickles it wouldn't be either better or worsde for mpoe, the % would just be smaller.
EskimoBob: the % of coupon is meaningless in this context -- it's X
EskimoBob: We are talking about how a good bond operates not what the fair % is
mircea_popescu: listen. 5% a month comes to almost 100% a year.
mircea_popescu: that extra 4% is your share of mpoe gain each month, hands ddown
mircea_popescu: you get 5%
mircea_popescu: so, suppose risk free rate is i dunno, 1% a month ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but your % is made of two parts
EskimoBob: no, they get the % - the coupon
mircea_popescu: you could easily put a bond into mpoe, and on it offer your own insured bond at a lower %
EskimoBob: even if you want me to share the profit, you still have to return the % and principal
EskimoBob: If I lend you money, I do not want a part of your business. All i want, is my money and %.
EskimoBob: when the date is up, your friendly loan shark wants hes money + % and that's it
EskimoBob: then write this to the contract so that I get my spread no matter what and if thing go well, you pay me extra % from the gain
mircea_popescu: you make x% unless the country fucks up, in which case you make a loss.
mircea_popescu: because you set your own %.
EskimoBob: FRN will let you pay me a premium % if you do well
EskimoBob: lets say you go for a FRN. Yes. part of the coupon (% what you have to pay me) is fluctuating but no matter what, there is still a fixed part of %
EskimoBob: the problem with bonds is: I as a bond holder, do not rally "care" so you make or lose money. No matter what happens, you owe me the promised % and you are obligated to return the principal
BTC-Mining: You can find thousands of "personal startups" websites outside of bitcoin world and they almost fail 100%
mircea_popescu: all mining assets that didn't make 20% per month past 3 mionths are a net loss.
mircea_popescu: 33% depreciation through diff rate increase and 50% depreciation through btc appreciation
mircea_popescu: in strict depreciation terms all mining assets that didn't make at least 9% per month are a net loss.
mircea_popescu: but ya diff jumped 33% past ~4 months
mircea_popescu: 1500% beotch :D
BTC-Mining: at .1? It's gone up by 1000% in 5 months?
mircea_popescu: We'd hoped that our offer would both push Bitcoinica to resolve the claims faster, and give them more room for error. If they resolved all the claims within 6 months and paid us an equal pro rata share, they'd have immunity from us. Coincidentally, the amount of funds stolen only 2 days after this offer was made was nearly 100% of what we were owed at the time.
mircea_popescu: let's do some math tho, at 2mn a month with a .5% fee they clear 10k btc which is 120k usd a month
Ignatius-otc: Many ebay sellers manipulate their fb as if they drop below a certain % they could have their accounts temporarily denied selling rights. By having multiple accounts sellers can control their fb %.
mircea_popescu: Customer satisfaction on Silk Road is mostly positive, with a 97.8% positive feedback rate, although less than that on white market sites like Ebay, which boasts a positive feedback rate of 99%.
mircea_popescu: the limit was 2% but it was moved in may to 5%
BTC-Mining: Says there you're lending funds to MPOE for a 2% premium for the purpose of having the funds need for all ongoing open calls
BTC-Mining: You lend capital at a 2% premium?
DeaDTerra: I got a 100 BTC loan for 0.1% a week ;)
mircea_popescu: you know, MPBOR is like 4.9% atm
BTC-Mining: Bye the way, no one interested in giving perpetual loan to me for 0.5% weekly? I have very good backings eh
Ignatius-otc1: 0.2% xfer fee at glbse I think
mircea_popescu: i think it's pretty simple, on glbse you get free account and 1% fees round trip. on mpex you have to ante 20 btc and fee is .2% round trip.
Ignatius-otc1: mircea_popescu: is there still a 20BTC fee to open an account with MPEX? I found someone with an account who would place orders there for me, but he wnated 10% roundtrip.
BTC-Mining: Yes, quite simply mining it seems... look at that, JTME takes 25% of shares... + deducts all expenses before giving dividend
DeaDTerra: making it 2,7% a week and it was 1500$
DeaDTerra: It's 100% loan for maximum of 9 months
Chaang-Noi: not 100% sure
usagi: Who would sell NYAN at 0.99999 given we pay 8.6% a week
mircea_popescu: Each share represents 0% of the ownership in the company assets.
usagi: If they buy in at 1.10 during the week and get a 8.5% payment
usagi: BMF paid dividends (1.22% on 0.72btc/share, NAV is now 0.73)
Luceo: The loan can increase or decrease in $ value by far more than 1% in a week :P
BTC-Mining: Yes, I suppose I could go up to 1%... still seems like a lot at 52% per year however.
DeaDTerra: 1-3% a week usually works :)
kakobrekla: 7% seems to work ;>
BTC-Mining: On a side note, I still have my 0.5% weekly loan bonds that are not selling. Currently backed at 13990:1
BTC-Mining: I however would like to see a setting allowing to set a % over/under market price at which it triggers a confirmation screen to pop. It would be as simple as a lightweight javascript checking the 7 day average and comparing if it's x% over or under your current setting.
bitfoo: because dropping to 6% could cause an irrecoverable bank run
brendio: I'm at 7% even with the new levels
kakobrekla: +7%
mircea_popescu: this is insanity, the market is 99% convinced the btc goes up up up.
BTC-Mining: @#$&*%@*(
mircea_popescu: like 5.3% on the basis of past 2 months
mircea_popescu: like 4.3% p a in dividends.
BTC-Mining: I'm not 100% sure if you understand that a full styling would require no change of the html markup and use far less data to transfer than even a single of those pictures.
mircea_popescu: glbse had .6 or .5 both ways, mpex has .2% one way
BTC-Mining: Aye, I suppose. But GLBSE works on 0.5% fees alone and those fees are fine as is, I find.
mircea_popescu: traditional accounts have large % fees.