asciilifeform: but short version is that to have 'volunteers' for english industry, they turned their countryside into the closest thing possible at their tech level to an open air gulag
asciilifeform: i will not re-tell the 'vagrancy laws' thing here, it is amply covered in the literature.
asciilifeform: specifically as pictured in the film, even.
asciilifeform: it was the envy of the crippled ephialtes, who knows exactly what he is, for the healthy spartans.
asciilifeform: one of the reason the english nailed them with such vengeance, trashing the entire planet in the process
asciilifeform: unlike the english world, for example
asciilifeform: decimation: my understanding is that germany, like japan, had a few living scraps of functional tradition survive the 20th c. woodchipper
asciilifeform: escape 'from frying pan to fire,' this.
asciilifeform: naggum's 'managing an unskilled labor force means easy access to people who are skilled in whatever is needed right now, not an investment in people -- which leads to the conclusion that a programmer is only as valuable as his ability to get another job fast.'
asciilifeform: eers seemed to work reasonably well there. It's just not a business model in which I wish to be involved, at least not on the component-provider side. So after a year at Google I quit and returned to JPL.' << the once well-known erann gatt, aka ron garrett.
asciilifeform: a local frustration maximum. ... One of the reasons I decided to go work for Google was that they were not using Java. So of course you can guess what my first assignment was: lead the inaugural Java development at the company, what eventually became Google AdWords. ... And that was the end of Lisp at Google. In retrospect I am not convinced that he made the wrong decision. The interchangeable component model of software engin
asciilifeform: gramming in Java means a life of continual and unremitting pain. So I vowed I would never be a Java programmer, which pretty much shut me out of 90% of all software engineering jobs in the late 90's. This was OK since I was managing to put together a reasonably successful career as a researcher. But after Remote Agent I found myself more and more frustrated, and the opportunity to work at Google just happened to coincide with
asciilifeform: word "training" in relation to professional activities. Training is what you do to dogs. What you should be doing with people is educating them, not training them. There is a big, big difference.) To my mind, the hallmark of the interchangeable component model of software engineers is Java. Without going into too many details, I'll just say that having programmed in Lisp the shortcomings of Java are glaringly obvious, and pro
asciilifeform: 'One of the reasons I stayed at JPL for twelve years was that I was appalled at what the software industry had become. The management world has tried to develop software engineering processes that allow people to be plugged into them like interchangeable components. The "interface specification" for these "components" usually involves a list of tools in which an engineer has received "training." (I really detest the use of the
asciilifeform: eh, video is not the innermost circle of hell
asciilifeform: (consists, naturally, of a miniature google circa 2001 preserved in amber)
asciilifeform: decimation: they answer to the lizards.
asciilifeform: decimation: the brass are among the least-free
asciilifeform: call it "good taste", not "tunnel vision".'
asciilifeform: 'Using such inferior languages is like asking a chef who could have done wonders with any kind of raw materials, to use a dirty kitchen, a broken refrigerator with food that is about to die a second time, broken tools, and brownish tap water that tasted of swamp land. His first task would be to clean up the place. Creating food in there would be the furthest from his mind. That's how I feel about Perl and C++. I prefer to
asciilifeform: decimation: it is all a matter of what constraints you are willing to work in
asciilifeform: 'hired to solve problem' means that you are theoretically free to do it with a computer made of trained squirrels pushing trinary equations, so long as this fits the constraints set by the client.
asciilifeform: more to the point, anyone hired with a public advertisement in reference to particular programming languages is hired as meatrobot
asciilifeform: decimation: i did not say that nobody solves problems at 'google.' merely that no one is hired to 'solve problem.' rather, folks are hired as fungible meat robots.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... stalin << aha, who else
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies. << astronomy/astrology. note how useful -legit- astronomy was for most of its history.
asciilifeform: it is a uniquely mind-destroying paradigm, also, because it makes reasoning about actual cost of execution on actual hardware virtually impossible.
asciilifeform is presently wondering whether, if mircea_popescu's prescription 'be young and female' were an actual algorithm that folks could -execute- - how many would
asciilifeform: the fact of the matter appears to be (ben_vulpes and his experiment, etc) that the folks who pay for ads are largely the old cargo cultists and have very little to do with bitcoin, for perfectly logical reasons of it being a bugspray against their species
asciilifeform: ad bid board << i had this idea, probably like everybody else
asciilifeform: i'll sign under every word of it, fwiw.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> i wonder if it's also actually correct. << it doesn't -get- much more correct.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write << because i can see the hallmarks of educated mendacity. the man, whoever he is, knows that i know the history. and pretends otherwise, and that he has some sort of 'lesson' for old ignorant me. i know the type, they infest (or once did) my comments section.
asciilifeform: or the old 'choose your parents carefully' (TM)
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... actually being a woman, especially if young, and very very easy is what offers the best chance of survival. << 'how to avoid drowning at sea?' 'be water'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> i used to have a huge library, i wouldnt buy a book today. << i still do, but it is shrinking, shrinking...
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> what exactly would prevent me from beating the shit out of the 'villagers' << i did try to point this out, l0l
