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mircea_popescu: that there's a bunch of moronic kids over at hot topic in the mall doing "the industry" of things men do... what the fuck of it ?

mircea_popescu: it was proposed he was a fucking farmer, in the proper and only sense, like fucking carlyle. farming is a thing BECAUSE cincinnatus farfmed, and bdsm is a thing because MP bdsm's.

mircea_popescu: but it wasn't proposed he's "typical" or "normal" or in any way reduce his person to some kind of http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/#selection-87.551-87.706 falsity. when i call my slave "a slave" i do not by any possible read propose that "she has some kind of slave nature" like nail polish or something.

mircea_popescu: people do things, that's why there's a history in the first place.

asciilifeform: there's a reason he's a quasi-mythical figure, tho, like diogen

mircea_popescu: and hence "Pangloss was professor of metaphysico-theologico-cosmolo-nigology. He proved admirably that there is no effect without a cause, and that, in this best of all possible worlds, the Baron's castle was the most magnificent of castles, and his lady the best of all possible Baronesses."

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 16:44 asciilifeform: even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot'

mircea_popescu: it's not agriculture per se. it's not the land, it's that the land both fosters and nurtures a certain mindset among those troding upon it. too much "all is well" and way the fuck too much "nothing could ever change" and so on. hence, "my mom's just as good a master as could ever be had!" and hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871537 : in rural environs kids too dumb to find their own fucking holes on their own fucking ☝︎

asciilifeform: fundamental problem with agriculture. if you aint a herbivore, being involved in just about any direct capacity makes you wanna eat yer pistol

mircea_popescu: (a matter little discussed in the abundant "literature" was the implicit brain drain southern economy imposed on southern us. ie, intelligent boys in the newyork-london sphere migrated rather towards new york (hence all the jews, at the time monopolists of intelligence, hence the hatred but different line all that) ; whereas intelligent kids on the st louis-paris line migrated rather to paris. because nothing the fuck to do i

mircea_popescu: i make a lot of noise about dungeons and chains and whips and etc ; but it is a kind of a society game. i am not prepared, neither mentally nor for that matter materially, to ~actually~ apply all that. because yes, the convertor exists, kidnap among the moronic 3bn, but i mean literally, not play-pretendingly, self-delivered "kidnaps", and then torture them into being enslaved orcs rather than plain orcs.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 18:12 mircea_popescu: the whole usgistan thing is a ~necessary~ solvent for the otherwise even-more-imbecile "nation of kings" bullshit.

asciilifeform: ( maybe consider try in a human lang, get slightly less retarded folx ? )

asciilifeform: gotta wonder what they're using for a terminal

mircea_popescu: there's a whole wide world out there, chitlins, and it has SO MUCH TO OFFER!!!

mircea_popescu: PrincessVH "It's due to the fact that your title of the message has been cut in half and the only part that is readable is "How about you drop whatever it is you're d..."" LordMPofTMSR "Intelligence is specifically this (seemingly "magical") ability to find one's way out of a paper bag."

asciilifeform: once we have a One Troo scripting language ( possibly some variant of spyked's gc-less ada lisp.. ) i'd like to write a vtron in that ( supposing nobody else beats me to it )

phf: v.py unfortunately requires a bunch of work (unrelated to yesterday's issue), it was very much a poc, and i suspect you and i are the only people who actively use(d) it

asciilifeform: i'd like to be able to put a link in the 'ffa regrind' article, 'and you can press it with ~this~'

asciilifeform: phf: right, my current understanding is that presently ~errybody has a kludged vtron, but no one yet posted a 'canonical' variant that's 1) properly genesis'd 2) worx errywhere

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:21 asciilifeform: when i started ffa, i did not plan to bake any asm speedups at all. but there's 2 reasons to do it, eventually : one is that on e.g. x86/x64, getting the upper half of a word-sized multiplication, without asm, takes ~four~ MULs plus a buncha additions : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14

asciilifeform: btw http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871763 is somewhat misleading, let's correct : this is the case on ALL known archs, gcc is retarded and does not supply a ready-baked inline word x word mul function ☝︎

phf: asciilifeform: i've posted a v.pl patch http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867871 ( archived http://archive.is/ZJUMM ), unfortunately since v.pl doesn't have its own vtree, doing it properly requires a bunch of extra work ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( i still gotta come up with a fix for the comment box on my www; until then , i'll take seals via p.bvulpes.com etc )

asciilifeform: fwiw i worked around last night's ugh in phf's variant, but i'd much rather use a properly polished item than my kludge

asciilifeform: nao, this being said, my objective is still to give acceptably-performing, re erryday ops, ffa ~without asm~. but asmism will make a serious diff re e.g. key generation, make minutes instead of day+.

asciilifeform: ave1: correct, it is a special narrowed egyptian mul, word-sized

asciilifeform: so a proper asmification potentially yields 5-10x speedup 'for phree' , all else being equal ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( there is also the fact that such a simple thing as addition with carry takes not 1 ADD instruction, but an entire http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/word_ops__adb.htm#36_13 orchestra )

asciilifeform: the other is that on iron such as certain ARM ( i have not yet investigated ~which~ ) , and ppc, and certain others, there does not even exist a constant-time MUL, and one is stuck with some variant of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#33_13 -- which really begs to be asmed, is riotously inefficient

asciilifeform: when i started ffa, i did not plan to bake any asm speedups at all. but there's 2 reasons to do it, eventually : one is that on e.g. x86/x64, getting the upper half of a word-sized multiplication, without asm, takes ~four~ MULs plus a buncha additions : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14 ☟︎

asciilifeform: well there is also a 'put all asmism in a standalone .S and feed it to the linker' , for completeness

ave1: unfortunately the asm instruction has a limited version of the pinning

ave1: In C there are 2 ways: (a) in the asm instruction, (b) in the register variable definition

asciilifeform: in the particular example of udp, a coupla extra MOV's won't make a diff speedwise (vs the latency of the nic) but this sorta thing will be ugly once we start writing kernel mods in ada / moving off unix entirely

asciilifeform: and how wouldja get a result ~out~ of register and return from function

ave1: In the inline assembly you specify that the variable can be in a global (constraint == "g")

ave1: first work around is to have a bunch of mov instructions before the syscall

asciilifeform: ave1: depending on just how sad gcc turns out to be, may have to put the asm in a separate linkable .o and invoke it as if it were c lib

ave1: in C you can specify the register for a variable at definition time

ave1: arm has a lot more registers, but no constraints for these

ave1: in x86, I can specify a constraint

ave1: asciilifeform, diana_coman: I'm now looking into arm 64bit, but so far seems to be bit more involved. I've not found a way to directly couple an ada varable to a register.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 05:14 deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/splitting-the-primary-and-the-sub-key-in-a-gnupg-keychain/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Splitting the primary and the sub key in a gnupg keychain

diana_coman: ave1, nice! I'll add it to my list to give it a spin

mircea_popescu: and in other news, got a shipment of sprats. old riga, including pronouncements as to how kosher they are, in hebrew on the side.

deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/splitting-the-primary-and-the-sub-key-in-a-gnupg-keychain/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Splitting the primary and the sub key in a gnupg keychain ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( presently dun look like it's a gpg1-vs-2-ism )

asciilifeform: that's yet a third derp, whoever wrote python-gnupg

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably cuz koch stuck a gpl sticker on it

asciilifeform: but gotta find a pill, cuz right nao wheels turning in the mud

mircea_popescu: if it were a case of "phf why the fuck are you using non-v or non-tmsr or non-standard or non-something" it'd have legs. as it is it's "phf why didn't you intuit what's in the magic box under my bed" ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atm i'm not even in a place where i can say who's what is buggy

asciilifeform: seems like the closest thing to a working keccak-vtron currently is phf's v98 tho

asciilifeform: phf: fwiw my orig v.py is pretty sad in several wellknown ways -- i'm not particularly attached to it, would happily take mod6's, if there were (did i miss??) a ver of it patched to work in keccak

phf: asciilifeform: i'm surprised at this entirely un-vtronic argument. your "10kb proggy" brings in a magic dependency, that nobody else has except for you

asciilifeform: so loox like i'll be going with button 'a' .

asciilifeform: i will not be answerable for a 3GB ball of shit, there aint even 1% of the necessary hrs to read it, left in my lifespan

phf: "i have a copy of gnupg that works, and everyone that's using anything else is an idiot" is not much a strategy

asciilifeform: i can't think of anyffing to do but a) make flensed version of phf's that actually worx here, i have NO intention of breaking my legacy toolchain in which i still have 90000 unconverted private patches or b) bake an e.g. if gpg.__version__ = phf : ... else .... thing

asciilifeform: it always baked a tmp to satisfy gpg's keyring idjicy and nuked it after

mircea_popescu: there's also a homedir for the keyring

phf: well, that's a useful conversation.

asciilifeform: and imho it is pretty sad that a vtron even sees ~anything~ 'systemwide'.

phf: asciilifeform: everything i test, i test on Linux gravity 4.4.138-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 26 21:26:35 MDT 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux, which is a press of your rk pre-cuntoo

asciilifeform: what i'd like is a pill that is guaranteed not to break ANYTHING else.

bvt: mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't provide a timeline for the syscalls yet: between 19.11. and 07.12. i will have time for only very minor work, following logs, etc.

BingoBoingo woke up this morning to a sad home internet connection to troubleshoot

bvt: though i have nothing against work on bignum multiplication and modexp -- but as i see it, it could be a side branch of ffa. ffa already provides a solid foundation for such algorithm exploration.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871447 << an ada mpi, however, would be a most interesting item.

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871493 << first, i'd like to do a linux syscall ada tree (focusing on 4 syscalls first: openat,close,mmap,stat) for aarch64 and intel arches. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871471 << I do indeed have a list ☝︎

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871478 << fixing/replacing the theme is on my todo list, however i still haven't fixed all the problems in wp-admin (png/jpg vs svg), so work on the theme will have to wait a bit. ☝︎☟︎

bvt: i have also restored your comment in it's sane form. separating the < and > with spaces (s#<# < #) avoids html detection, though adapting one's habits to wp behavior is definitely not a solution.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:31 diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now !

asciilifeform: imho if the franks, or the visigoths, want diff sorting order when alphabetizing, they oughta have proclaimed a FSCII and VGSCII etc

asciilifeform: i expect it was a concession to the french or some other barbarian tribe

phf: asciilifeform: yeah, unfortunately, we even had a thread about it. gnu diff does sort using locale, where's vdiff does strict ascii collation

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a+++ headerface

mircea_popescu: (really, just a disguised attempt to show off my latest header. ain't that shit insane ?)

mircea_popescu: a ok

asciilifeform: even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: he's right, after a fashion, the way that place's going...

mircea_popescu: also, there's a bum outside your residence somewhere, who similarily thinks, "alf has not yet heard the good word, will soon be a bum too".

asciilifeform: this one's somehow not a mystery to good 80+% of globe

mircea_popescu: there is A LOT of "nyahnyahnyah" buried at the root of pantsuit tree.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all things. see ? that's the fucking point. from boots to "want of a nail" to "keep your household in order and the women in line and the children doing their fucking work" and so on. all the fucking way.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 17:55 mircea_popescu: look it up, hermann aron fellow, was a sort of german heaviside

asciilifeform: and yes i know 'why' they aint used : 'but oh oh, what if someone is on a SLIP modem!11'

asciilifeform: there's imho a niche for the above -- items like phuctor

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871447 << an ada mpi, however, would be a most interesting item. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: it turns >80col ln into a warning, does naught else.

mircea_popescu: alternatively "auto-process as text comments that don't have any > in them", but then it still bites as you could have a link and a log-style << and so on.

mircea_popescu: this actually would be a fine feature to have.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871441 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871446 << did you have a single angle bracket at the point of eating ? because if you did, it ate the ~rest~ of the comment as an unclosed html tag. which, if you think about it, it has to do, in order to be able to process html tags in comments at all. ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: life's more than a rat race. at least for me.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 02:34 BingoBoingo: Also December 7, 8, and 9th will be the expocannabis Uruguay. I plan on going there in a recon capacity, if anyone else is looking for a very Uruguay reason to visit Uruguay, that would be the weekend to come on down.

mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867509 : perhaps this is just the ticket mod6 , take a few days / a week off whatever, ~BY YOURSELF~. so you can fucking think. go hang out with BingoBoingo , fuck some latino whores, get drunk once or twice... these are the mainstay "i'm in a paper bag how do i get out" methods since time immemorial for a fucking reason. ☝︎☟︎

diana_coman: bvt, a recovered full version of the comment: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/d9iWn/?raw=true

diana_coman: bvt, that is a known issue with gcc version really