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asciilifeform: and pre- him receiving the socialist prizes etc. pre-gnu.
mircea_popescu: she's still a woman even at a time prior to having foaled.
asciilifeform: i have nfi, but must point out that this time was prior to him having written down any such thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect rms did no such thing ; but that he correctly believed that if structured as ~radical~ socialism, socialism may be made to appear palatable to intelligent people ; at any rate more so than the commodified variant.
asciilifeform: i.e. the experimenters from the receptionists.
mircea_popescu: phf of course childish. socialism. that's what it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms naively believed (but afaik -- genuinely believed) that one can separate the cutlets from the flies.
mircea_popescu: the notion that there can be an apolitical something is like the notion that there can be a transparent non menstruating woman etc.
phf: hmm, i always thought his question was a lot more naively childish "why'd did all my friends i had fun with left to do these weird `grownup` things"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was pre-gnu rms, as far as is known -- apolitical
asciilifeform: ( iirc it was because he went 'let us have our king from among our ~own~ number, why this imported viking lord ' )
mircea_popescu: mno. his question was "why do these 12 people not see the glory of socialism and dedicate their lives to making every receptionist live in luxury she can't pay for"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (strangely, even though ti was a megacorp already at the time, their offering was the least memorable) << No mystery. They were likely operating from an internal assumption of leadership and thus snore.
phf: actually that's the same (i assume rhetorical) question rms was asking
mircea_popescu: NOW -- the question is why did this fucktarded dozen decide the best thing to do is make 3-6-howevermany "Competing" entitite.s ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: clim fwiw predates micro exodus. was, like common lisp, an attempt by the three vendors to make a unified gui foundation. you can still see scarring in genera where they started transitioning to clim apps from their flavors
asciilifeform: most of the heavy lifting was done by a dozen or so people, however. (david moon, richard greenblatt, tom knight, buncha smaller ones ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you seen the premises ? not physically possible to host 100 people working there, let alone 500 wtf.
asciilifeform: at the ai lab.
mircea_popescu: dozen people eighteen months. thatssit. where's the 500 undergrads ~actually~ working for decades ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this item did not physically exist.
mircea_popescu: slaves, idem. if you couint every nigger at mit, derping about "we're one, man" and "i should have money anyway" then yes you get the figures, but if you count THAT as slavery god help youi.
asciilifeform: 0 receptionists. it was this club where they let the brightest undergrads burn their lives for 0 pay to build interesting hw.
mircea_popescu: and the problem of "slaves" and "work" is very interestingly repeating. so : if you count all the receptionists in the "work" you're getting an obviously diluted figure. if this is were how work worked, i could build spaceship by hiring 1mn chickens/hair stylists in argentina. evidently, argentina isn't building any spaceships.
asciilifeform: just as 1850s usg ain't today's.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu already postulated a conclusion in his head, and doesn't actually give half a fuck about facts, i will not bother with this thread.
asciilifeform: again it wasn't 'mit', it was 'mit's ai lab', wholly - at the time - unique assemblage.
mircea_popescu: mit also never had this many useful slaves.
asciilifeform: most of the hours were worked unpaid, by slaves.
mircea_popescu: this argument will not prevail, because again, mit never paid that many hours.
asciilifeform: ever built wire-wrap anything ? picture ten tonnes of it.
asciilifeform: i read the released cadr schematics. and the source. it was genuinely 1000+ man-year of genuine work.
mircea_popescu: ie, a dozen people "worked" in the us sense for 18 months.
asciilifeform: it was the beginning and immediately the end of the 'interesting' mit.
mircea_popescu: mit never had a thousand man-years of work, in its entire history to date, counting all the departments.
asciilifeform: in fact the piss ui from this thread, clim, franz lisp, whole shebang of barbarian yurts decorated with smashed roman mosaic, were results of later attempt to 'repeat in garage' regardless
asciilifeform: thing was several thou. man-years of gnarly work, it was not repeatable in a garage.
asciilifeform: describe the hypothetical 'not bothering'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the question of "why the fuck would anyone even bother with a mit '''license''' we'll leave for some other time".
asciilifeform: (strangely, even though ti was a megacorp already at the time, their offering was the least memorable)
mircea_popescu: seems a lot of retarded one-man-ism that gave the world 5k "airplane inventors" and just as many canvas-made planes that didn't work worth a shit.
asciilifeform: symbolics, lmi, and ti
asciilifeform: iirc there were 3 mit licensees
mircea_popescu: what sense did any engineer imagine this will make ?
asciilifeform: most of the subj of thread is post-rms.
mircea_popescu: yes, though i'm not particularily interested in stallman's moth-eaten brain.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 21:17 mircea_popescu: why exactly did everyone in the golden lisp era feel such a burning need to compete with each other anyway ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640945 << gnu's confinement ( from poverty ) to 'commodity' (i.e. unix) hardware was a forced 'exile from eden' and the derp response is to postulate 'we're JUST AS GOOD, US TOO!1111' etc. ☝︎
shinohai: Would be lulzy if it was the same guy who fucked with all their traffic lights last year.
shinohai: Gotta learn that variety speak!
mircea_popescu: shinohai is "tight-lipped" how you say "box of hammers" this millennium ?
mircea_popescu: "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by combined Italian and Jewish police violence." << epic.
shinohai: I assume, since they contacted FCC, the system operates on some sort of radio frequency. Officials are "tight-lipped" lol
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the "oh, must be local" rationale besides "we are retarded and so therefore things follow"
mircea_popescu: "The attacker was able to turn the sirens back on 15 times in a 90 minute period" lmao
mircea_popescu: i mean rms, i understand, stray dog mit took in, he'd bark at st peter if st peter came by. but the rest of 'em ?
mircea_popescu: why exactly did everyone in the golden lisp era feel such a burning need to compete with each other anyway ? ☟︎
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S2Yyy/?raw=true
phf: mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'go fucking wash the whitegrey off yerself omfg'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:04 phf: i met fare at one of international lisp conference's and i thought he was kind of off, but the kind of work he did on asdf3 precisely corresponds to his personal and writing styles. sort of like a dirty kid that you have to constantly remind to like fucking go wash yourself dude, omg
asciilifeform: the mcclim ui always makes me think of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633985 people ☝︎
phf: no, obviously not, that's mcclim
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640547 << this ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-08 21:20 phf: well, that's the thing, the original backend from clim2 goes all the way back to genera, and it's literally all solid 1-pixel lines, and bulk of the display is text.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 02:53 asciilifeform: it ain't new, it is copy of 'athena' ( the thing found on old suns, that made their ui eye-clawing fugly and painful to navigate )
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally the best solution probably is to do a sweep tx now and again (once a year or such ?) to aggregate all the inputs into one single output
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/tears-of-the-great-again-leftists-find-exploit-trumps-weakness/ << Qntra - Tears Of The Great Again: Leftists Find, Exploit Trump's Weakness
mod6: gl trinque !
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1222.8, Best ask: 1224.4, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 1223.6, 24 hour volume: 15946.33337183, 24 hour low: 1177.2, 24 hour high: 1226.9, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: this might even fix it, but it's not certain, given the festival of adhoc magic numbers trb is also known as.
trinque: that this is reported as "insufficient funds"... mkaaay
trinque: I reduced the deed amount to make room for moar fee
trinque: ah yes totally relevant then
mircea_popescu: yes trinque ; but if a transaction is under arbitrary amount, it is arbitrarily "Dust" and can not be spent.
trinque: should have the thing working again later today, and will back up current wallet for inspection
trinque: txns are always deed amount + fee + refund rest back to same addy
trinque: looks like trb was not pleased with python's json.dumps() taking upon itself to use scientific notation after I changed fee and deed amounts.
trinque: current bundle of deeds is blocked on that while I investigate
trinque: ^ PSA: I'm looking at some kind of trb wallet bug which is reporting suffient balance, but insufficient when trying to send a tx
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCAF036F62490CA9C4D5611251522A725A5C6E264CD753D0EF563CA486550323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1680...4539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.186.72.19 (ssh-rsa key from 89.186.72.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (19.72.186.89.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCAF036F62490CA9C4D5611251522A725A5C6E264CD753D0EF563CA486550323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1519...5963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.186.72.19 (ssh-rsa key from 89.186.72.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (19.72.186.89.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. IT)
BingoBoingo: Yeah, founded by Bill W's wife to cope with "He stopped drinking, why am I still not the center of his universe"
BingoBoingo: AHA, "Al-Anon" is people not usually alcoholic themselves trying to live with drunks
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/al-lolz-dot-jpg/ << Trilema - Al-lolz, dot jpg.
Framedragger: (as the corpus of text expands, it becomes something like a fractal derrida and is heavier to manage in mind, at least in my mind)
Framedragger: i'm just teasing; i will consider setting up a topics-index page; something which is less formal than tickets; and a way to easily add new items by citing log line ranges. (old idea i know)
mircea_popescu: but in the future will just link log.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm aware what the problems are. just, absent a written form, im stuck going through the matter question&answer style.
mircea_popescu: but didn't discuss it, and therefore i've not what to link.
asciilifeform: it is what intel's rdrand, via'd chips, etc use. tightly married to the vagaries of the fab process, and very difficult to tie to a specific physical effect
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 15:06 BenBE: With the WhirlyGig it's temperature-based modulation of ring oscillators.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640840 << i am quite familiar with this design, and rejected it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:42 BenBE: Depending on the circles you worked in, you knew GnuPG is broken on several levels.
a111: Logged on 2015-10-09 01:20 asciilifeform: the chore that everybody here has been putting off into indefinite future - that of ~actually distributing one's entire modulus~ - is a necessary thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here.
mircea_popescu: yeah. put that evaluation in the stack though, i wanna hear what comes of it.
BenBE: But that's nothing left for today.
BenBE: In the way you rate this part solved. I'm not quite convinced here yet. Will need to evaluate the information.