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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the philosophy i went with in FG -- redundancy against iron-death error oughta live upstack ( i.e. you plug in >1 ) rather than inside box
mircea_popescu: i guess this is a spot you;ll have to proceed on faith,
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't know if/that that is indeed the only thing that can kill the socket; and testing won't quite tell me either
mircea_popescu: no, what i'm saying is that with udp it is ~never worth "Retrying" in the tcp sense.
diana_coman: that was my original meaning but then I got the impression you said the wrapper should ignore so then...it should keep trying?
diana_coman: I suppose "ignore" in the sense of let the exception propagate and the program die
mircea_popescu: but i mean... if the socket's closed the wrapper returns neh ?
diana_coman: I mean don't keep trying to send on a closed socket sort of thing
diana_coman: I don't mean "resend this packet"
mircea_popescu: "logical" connection how shall i put it. path ? line ?
mircea_popescu: i was saying in principle.
diana_coman: I don't know but given Close_Socket(S), ignoring seems rather ...
mircea_popescu: if it isn't, i'd like to know about it, because i quite like the model.
asciilifeform: i can think of only 1, dead irons
diana_coman: the one thing hanging would be re errors I suppose
asciilifeform: (i.e. added to the kicklist, which rejects packet in O(n log N) where N is number of idjits )
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have an answer re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880600 : because this way you take the queue out of the ip stack's 64kb into the 1tb of ram or w/e you use. ☝︎
diana_coman: 3. I think that's to be a dynamic thing basically aka at a higher level server looks and if it needs to, it creates more workers to process those messages accumulating there
asciilifeform: i.e. if client's cord gets pulled, from his pov he will stall, from server's , his character is standing still, and when plugs back in, will live again
asciilifeform: diana_coman: per my current understanding of mircea_popescu's protocol, it is immune to packet loss (i.e. client will retry)
diana_coman: that's what I've been going round in for most of today!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought your orig queue was specifically re clog (impedance mismatch) in the unix ip stack
diana_coman: well, except for the case where 1mn simultaneous clients I suppose but possibly that gets lost before even reaching the nic
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I made it generic so I don't have to copy/paste code just for different const
asciilifeform: ( i.e. without the variant packet widths . instantiate one with rsa-width buffer, and 1 w/ serp.width )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't follow - 1mn clients can send 1mn datagrams to server, what has serpent to do ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you do need because 2 different sizes i.e. 2 different udp lib types essentially
mircea_popescu: so, i hear from cto the comms spec's mostly implemented. now, we're at the point where we wanna make a rsa and a serpent sender.
asciilifeform: yea subj is tapped out till i get the box in hands
asciilifeform: so folx can 'you wouldn't download a car!111' 'fuck you, would if i could' (tm)
asciilifeform: ( i dun recall if the 'xl' actually could be fed 256MB, possibly phf knows )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: x86 was ~ok when 64k (i.e. prior to introducing 'segments' )
mircea_popescu: i have a lingering suspicion we'd like x86 stack a lot better if memory had stayed the size it was WHEN THE DAMNED THING WAS DESIGNED
asciilifeform: i dun think it has any extra addr lines
asciilifeform: while on subj, from the extant photo i already can see that ~90% of the board surface is sram/dram, each of which respectively would fit on a '90s-era 5v 1chip
asciilifeform: ( not banking on it tho, i suspect their heads have fully tissue grafted into arse at this pt )
asciilifeform: really a 'sapper errs once' sorta job, if i zap so much as 1 GAL i'ma need whole new orchestra again.
asciilifeform miser, prolly oughta have gone to dks and bought 1 of these aeons ago. hell, the comp i'm sitting on nao cost > than the thing
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
asciilifeform: xray i expect is the 'easy' part. the real bitch will be the GALs
asciilifeform: the 1 item of concern is heatsink on the cpu, i'ma pull cpu out prior to the magic moment
asciilifeform: ( i.e. starting with ch.6 can already rsa )
juliankunkel: asciilifeform: thx, I will have a look; I'm looking a bit round here.
diana_coman: since Julian was at my talk on Monday, he now knows something about WoT :D But more to the point: he is so far the one and only Uni lecturer who wants to understand this bitcoin thing as opposed to just talk about it. So I'm quite happy he's here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma try an' bribe a dentist to take those xray pics, seems like cheapest pill.
diana_coman: I'll read in more detail again at any rate, won't hurt
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i haven't tried'em myself
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, I guess I need to search more and see exactly what it provides then
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i could've sworn that the standard provided queues
trinque: diana_coman: wallet's a different service that connects to the other bot for IRC. I'll take a look when I get a moment. I wager the internet connection between the two went down.
diana_coman: hm, now it answers !!ledger though so I guess it was a hiccup at that time
mircea_popescu: i'm of the same mind.
asciilifeform: fwiw i have nfi why d00d is banging on ~this~ door, there's 9000 others where could bang
diana_coman: I lost count how many times I told him to go & exploit but apparently I don't know anything about modern vulnerabilities that can't be exploited
diana_coman: I'll consider it as part of my fanbase as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879491 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i imagine pantsuit.fbi is gonna start farming these, much like pantsuit.academia is farming "scholars" and pantsuit.tech is farming blackchickscode.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for the next logical step of convergence to brezhnev's su, i.e. психушка instead of trial
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Puede Ser, I haven't given much though to Australia's Kangaroo Courts as a legal system to get involved in
mircea_popescu: so... "if you don't want to rue the day you were born, better make sure i'm not out looking for a job ever. i hate that shit."
mircea_popescu: if i'm pissed off, it just means someone else will have to be pissed off x2
mircea_popescu: i make it a rule to never be the most frustrated/annoyed/etc one in the room.
mircea_popescu: i'd do it.
Mocky: i've thought about brushing up on my ebonics to troll some interviews. show up in brand new nike airs and NBA jersey, use gangster analogies for everything while talking computer science like everybody knows that shit
Mocky: i'm past most of my frustration with it now, noticing their weaknesses. if you can code A* on a white board in 10 minutes with no errors while talking intelligently about their beloved frameworks, then not hiring you would be a struggle
Mocky: anyway, I don't think specialist job applier is all that hard to do. tech companies are ripe for being gamed
asciilifeform: Mocky: fwiw i've rarely been >6mo of battery charge away from hunger ( and on the few occasions when were, blew it on attempt at jailbreaking out ) , and at times was 6wk also.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no, "handy" in the sense of "mp already did the work of enumerating tghe venues so i can name one that's handy on those shoulders" << Out of tophost.com, hostingdiscussion.com, topsearch.com, warriorforums, and forums.hostsearch.com, it seems only Digitalpoint might be worth a revisit
Mocky: advice wise, i'm happy to accept help. action wise, I'll take the action
Mocky: not looking for help to solve my own problems. I'll solve and then contribute solutions to other problems
Mocky: when I look deeply enough into my pockets I see hunger about 6 weeks away, and my phone getting shut off and so I look for the closest solution at hand
mircea_popescu: no, "handy" in the sense of "mp already did the work of enumerating tghe venues so i can name one that's handy on those shoulders"
asciilifeform: 'handy' in sense of 'here's this list of some-gurlz-some-elizas', for i in L... do '
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:01 Mocky: relatedly, i haven't even applied to remote jobs yet. hand cranking through local options still
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880271 -> I was under the impression that Mocky wasn't tied up /very happy in current place; why local /us anyway? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 22:27 mircea_popescu: and i do mean ~every single last one~. i talk to every single chick on fetlife, meaning EVERY SINGLE ONE. that's the job of existence. nothing else passes muster.
mircea_popescu: i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people". ☟︎
Mocky: no mr. recruiter I don't have experience with Docker, as fun as that sounds
mircea_popescu: this is a facet of what i'm saying : rather than have you "look for a girlfriend as best i can when i perceive i need one", how about you have a ~girl~ look for girlfriends ALL THE TIME, and you can pick one or a few when inclined.
asciilifeform: in practice, they're scarce (esp. if impose the condition of no 'office commute' idjicies ). ~possibly~ for world-class specialists this aint so, i suppose i've never reached this level so cannot comment there
mircea_popescu: "i have an employer" is the substance of the insanity here discussed. no, you don't HAVE jack. it has.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:02 mircea_popescu: Mocky i suspect "local job" is by now thin wrapper over "social security handout"
Mocky: but i'm totally down to give it a try (after employed). it's gonna be hoot!
asciilifeform: i can speak only for self. but for instance asciilifeform , in saeculum, maintains a 100s-kloc winblowz atrocity. and this requires keeping it loaded into head. how would this go under mircea_popescu's scheme ? each d00d in bourbaki stuck also loading it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect you're not hired out in stretches of fifteen minutes, like starvation whores.
mircea_popescu: i'd suspect we can possibly cover it by now. dunno.
mircea_popescu: well, this is why i never mentioned this earlier.
asciilifeform does remote, for yrs nao. but it's still packaged in the form of 'here's this 1 d00d, and we rub lamp and he grants wishes, with voice command'. nao conceivably ~someone~ ~somewhere~ aint ameri-tarded and actually packages ~work~, rather than 'we rent a d00d and command via voice' , but i haven't seen this with own eyes yet.
mircea_popescu: i know this exists, whole outfits predicated on this scheme.
Mocky: in the past I've given serious consideration to arbitraging out my own secular tasks to indians or whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: Mocky i suspect "local job" is by now thin wrapper over "social security handout" ☟︎
Mocky: relatedly, i haven't even applied to remote jobs yet. hand cranking through local options still ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dunno where in saeculum works are packaged in parcels like this ( outside of 'fiverr' )
mircea_popescu: i don't see why it wouldn't be possible, tbh.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1879959 painfully slow from my pov, got three phone interviews coming up but not on the calendar yet cuz peeps taking time off. a bunch more that I'm waiting to hear about. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the money of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-10#553680 und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz is eminently NOT the money of "$5 turn knob - $9995 know which" (i can't find teh logline nao) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. adequate inside certain boundaries, but generally wildly wrong
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: money is shorthand, i.e. simply the 'binders' of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-165.74-165.439
mircea_popescu: and i suspect this fundamental intuition is what drives a lot of high socialism (like high protestantism, the nonsense among intelligent folks, as opposed to low) -- the intuition that the 1800 notion of money, perfectly adequate as it is for concretes, utterly fails on abstracts and what one needs is a lot more abstracts than concretes.
mircea_popescu: ie, he wants sufficient claim to fame as to make the "i'd like to live rather than die" proposition defensible. he doesn't even want money as such at all
mircea_popescu: so this is what i thought we were discussing -- "some inefficiency necessarily part of world". yes, agreed -- but how much ?