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mircea_popescu: by the time i pen a comment another 5 are in there, and then the log scrolls and omgwtfbbq
asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman actually #20 contains mistake, in temp mirrors 1st set up 'nginx' as in older system, then 'apache' to compare whether made diff in re performance (it did not) . ( putting this here, rather than to spam mp's www with 9000 errata comments.. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile : BingoBoingo : the crate with the 1u chassis's is here.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect he has >1 point, but that this indeed was 1 of'em. but i expect he'll clarify, i'ma refrain from guessing.
diana_coman: fwiw I don't think that's MP's point at all.
asciilifeform waves to diana_coman
diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
asciilifeform meanwhile enjoyed trinque's piece + thread .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:22:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?! ☟︎
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 17d 23h 52m
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 04:31:17 spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933337 << spyked et al: i am finding this thread a puzzler. here's why :
asciilifeform: PeterL: if you do, will learn, that moving parts have a cost -- even if they're invisible, mass-less, and supposedly 'phree'
asciilifeform: i agree w/ diana_coman tho -- try it yerself
asciilifeform: PeterL: ben_vulpes & trinque's orig bot actually worked this way. from the added complexity of multithread, had other problems entirely.
PeterL: that way you know the things you said actually went out over the line
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd tell him to implement it, run it and document the results; he'll figure out what you are saying much faster that way + he'll learn something from it at least.
asciilifeform: PeterL: what does this win?
PeterL: I don't mean two full bots, I mean split the function of your bot into two, so you sould have, e.g. snsabot-listener who never talks, just puts lines in the DB, and when somebody quotes something then snsabot-talker reads it out
diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
PeterL: I was pretty lazy over the summer, camping with the fam, etc. I have not done much constructive lately.
diana_coman: PeterL: what are you doing those days?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 05:54:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933339 - I read it but I'm still thinking of it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 06:09:49 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
asciilifeform: PeterL: prolly worst possible use for 'two bots'. the anti-oscillation logic will be longer than my bot itself in entirety
trinque bares his teeth as he realizes he needs to introduce his devices better!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 06:06:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933331 << o holy shit, you got those ?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933348 << nah, just talking about the blockages in my skull. going to keep putting out these weirdo pieces for a bit.
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933103 << I don't want to overcomplicate things, but what about having two bots, one who listens and puts things in the DB and another who talks?
mircea_popescu: this kinda paralysed pululation's exactly what they did, in the days of yore.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in anthropologically interesting documentary phootage, superaccurate depiction of pre-porn eeuropean teenager sexual activity.
spyked: then again, there's http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-04-04 , iirc the verisimilitudes fella was hanging out in #asciilifeform at some point
spyked: hm. would require doing tty stuff a la termios, and I expect (haven't looked, tho) the existing cl code for that is cffing to ncurses, which... ugh.
mircea_popescu: imo if tryina weld irc client atop ircbot, one should simply gut and re-use screen util.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:09:12 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 04:25:12 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 23:26:40 trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933331 << o holy shit, you got those ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, woah, huge response. it's gonna take me a while to process, currently stuck in saecular swamps. but I promise to get to it the first thing once I free my attention
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:41:13 asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933272 << tru!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:29 trinque: yes, but then, eh?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:01 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933268 << this is quite likely. but, you know, ideally after some more specwork.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
spyked: (possibly because the call is not done on the main thread? I didn't look into it further than that, tbh)
spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 12:35:01 asciilifeform: spyked: mine disconnects strictly when a send() or recv() actually return eggog (i.e. indicating dead tcp pipe)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:21:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933263 <-- imo this oughta happen when irc bot returns from recv, a la http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930111 ; cl-irc oughta expose some event for when connection is abruptly ended, so that ircbot reconnects from there
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:09:12 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
feedbot: http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/ << trinque -- Quetiapine
BingoBoingo: And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64"
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid trinque invoice 14
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice trinque 14
trinque: feel free to settle ^ with cash in hand tomorrow
BingoBoingo: But no, they never mail me
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty
BingoBoingo: trinque: GPG me the tracking number and I'll retreive it in the morning
a111: Logged on 2014-11-05 04:47 asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'
trinque: BingoBoingo: pls to gpg instructions
asciilifeform searches for that 'errybody has a finite N loc in'em before 'black lung'' thread, but cannot presently find.
auctionbot: Buy order # 1056 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by trinque for 131mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
trinque: people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming
asciilifeform: paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program'
trinque: about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap
trinque: in other poverties, ripping out the threadism in deedbot
asciilifeform: horrendous thing. even introduces ~nonstandard extension to cpp~, w/ own preprocessor
asciilifeform: this tried also
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but toiled once inside a yuge Qt beast
asciilifeform to his sorrow, tried
asciilifeform: trinque: ever try, btw, to write a proggy for gtk ?
asciilifeform: ( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot )
asciilifeform: 'raised to power'
trinque: really it's times, isn't it, not "plus"
asciilifeform: trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass.
asciilifeform: ( some time, with barf bag prepared in advance, take a peek at what e.g. 'xchat' consists of. )
asciilifeform: patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass
asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
trinque: yes, but then, eh?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:53:40 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
mircea_popescu: world is fulla them today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sovok had even odder thing -- taxis on propane
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:16:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933234 << no frost there. makes a diff.