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asciilifeform: this is proper tho. ( not oscillator. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:14:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
asciilifeform: ^ exercise for reader : why this works ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:31:50 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: aite then.
mircea_popescu: this way people can unravel chains if they want to, or not. in any case, if we decide we hate it eventually easy enough to tunr off
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's a recurring topic, but no, let them read each other.
mircea_popescu: fun over the barrel, moar like it
asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform's logotron kit takes list of other-bots in config file. these are used atm strictly in www displayer's colouration ( grey, a la phf's )
asciilifeform: ^ hm mircea_popescu , do you think bots oughta ignore outputs of bots ? ( i deliberately did not, as specifically requested in mircea_popescu's spec ; but it would be a trivial change )
ossabot: Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 16:44:37 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933526 << thinking about this -- prolly my sad mips belongs on the list of these attempts.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: ~100% of the time , complainer's hands were found to grow from arse )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 16:42:07 diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933524 << i still get mails re various old how-to's . ~never anyffin moar interesting than 'it didn't work for me! hulp!' tho
asciilifeform: found! not, turns out , brit. was mr.2barrels.
asciilifeform fughets where this were, was iirc some sad brit
mircea_popescu: it makes sense though, it was bungled in the bunghole
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the age commanded that we sing, but then cut off our tongues... the age commanded that we flow, but hammered in the bung!'(tm)(r)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/ << Qntra -- Another Open BMC Bung: Virtual USB Open To Anywhere
asciilifeform: btw in re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131271 -- i have no objection if someone would like to put the proposition to a -- announced or otherwise -- torture test
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's an idea though in fairness I can't say I'd *want* them; so far I just kept pointing out precisely that a. learn to write also when you use something, not only when you need something b. send me those other data sets and then who knows
mircea_popescu: "you'll be an economist when i tell you you're an economist, now go do the dishes"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, anyway, i suppose the thing to do is point out to the dorks in question that really there's no need nor any space for their self aferations, drop the shit and go younghands instead.
diana_coman: I suppose in time there'll be plenty more similar stuff that I should have written about but what can I do *now* about it - there's still plenty waiting in the queue to be done, yet more to be written and both queues seem to get only longer, a bit balaur-style, cut one head and 2 pop out
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, nice how that works, huh.
BingoBoingo: lol, when the locals ask me for my opinion of their "pagina de web" my first recommendation is the that to get more recommendations they need to cut their page load time down from minutes to seconds.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
diana_coman: and they are all "economists"
diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
diana_coman: ah, hm, there is yours; I just knew *I* didn't write one on the topic.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:00:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933449 - there isn't one; it's only irc logs, sadly.
BingoBoingo: Still, gotta go to war with the arms available as nice as it may be to got to war instead with the arms in the development lab
BingoBoingo used to blow hours, now usually only blows minutes when they happen
asciilifeform: ( who hasn't blown entire weekend on 'grr should this /tmp/barf be chown apache:apache or apache:foo or...' ? )
asciilifeform: linux file permission model is a joak even in comparison to microshit's, fwiw
BingoBoingo: I mean the other alternative is lighttpd's "config lives until process restarts"
mircea_popescu: "unix" files and linux files are entirely different ; the whole linux fs is really www tronics.
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-09 11:45:35 asciilifeform: re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm aware that it is also used as a kludge to 'naggum's bulldozer' over broken www proggies .
BingoBoingo: THe .htaccess utility is in much of the most important config needs being directory or file specific
BingoBoingo: But that is not at all where .htaccess utility comes from.
asciilifeform: re 'htaccess' tho, imho the cut was correct, 'deny errything but what is explicitly permitted in the config' is the Right Thing, rather than 'make user specify per-dir'
asciilifeform: so i suspect the 'optimizations'(tm)(r) more than made up for whatever was gained in the orig. cut.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i've never succeeded in detecting a performance diff b/w the 2 (in the use scenario where they can be interchanged)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And then he proceeded to routinely make wild obfuscated C changes to ngix citing "optimization"
mircea_popescu: iirc this is so
BingoBoingo: "You can’t do this. You shouldn’t. If you need .htaccess, you’re probably doing it wrong." << Fuck you
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nginx was an old heathen attempt to 'trb treatment' of apache by 'cut all the pieces i dun use' -- of 1 particular user.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile the GB switch crate is here !
BingoBoingo: Nor any easy equivalent to .htaccess
asciilifeform: ( found out that there is no working equiv. of 'mod-php' for ngx )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and asciilifeform together, when attempted the collective php blog system on same
mircea_popescu: was it you that had a near death experience with the thing ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there is no place for nginx in the world
mircea_popescu: then again, this was last tested (and true) ~decade ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, afaik mp-wp takes postgres out of the box
asciilifeform still investigating to-where move
BingoBoingo: I mean the blog
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phuctor lives on actual box, same as the logotron.
BingoBoingo: This is all fine and good, but Mysql has some thing outside the standard and those things appear to be what makes it the M in LAMP. Postgre may have usecases, but if you want to blog bloggin happens into mysql
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i used only standard sql in my proggies -- with the exception of indices (where there is no standard mechanism, grrrr)
BingoBoingo: The SQL in mysql and the sql in postgresql are different enough to not have portability without headbashing.
asciilifeform: ( which would make it GB+ and consisting largely of machine barf. i almost expected to discover that it ~does~ when wrote )
asciilifeform: aat least it doesn't try to stuff the indices into the dump.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 13:06:19 asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
mircea_popescu: a damn, that's why i wasn't finding it on her blog -- cuz it was on mine
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think that was it !
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-02 09:56:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910633 << there's actually not 1 but 2 'standard os' available in piz ( 'rk' and 'dulap' tarballs ) but both are stone age gentoos, they are obsoleted by cuntoo (when the latter is pronounced baked, but really even nao, it is impossible to e.g. 'emerge' packages on the vintage gentoo, the upstream package repos went full tard year ago )
asciilifeform also 'pre-cuntoo cuntoo', and pc ver. of same ; with the assoc. headaches elaborately described in the log.
asciilifeform: was iirc a pre-cuntoo attempt to cuntoo. but unfortunately not publicly given in detail .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc was only in the #t log
mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
asciilifeform: ( a surprisingly well-populated штрафбат . and asciilifeform makes an effort to read its log and reply 2-3x / daily )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:00:29 diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933381 << this is precisely the case ; do me a favour and move out of here to whatever lords' castle that'll have you on your own power so i don't have to strap on my tool belt and do it in a more permanent fashio,
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i used it all the way to the last day when the university shut down their unix cluster and expelled all 'zombies' who were still connected. which -- ~decade after graduating -- still included asciilifeform
asciilifeform for many, many yrs -- used pine ! and when moved from last flat in fact threw out a crt with pine screen burned into the phosphor.
mircea_popescu: eg, guy maintaining the server where i was pico-ing my email in the 90s, kept wanting to get me to emacs.
asciilifeform deliberately does not, sticks strictly to ~writing~ in it, that way also less distracted when doing so
mircea_popescu: i knew some back in the day also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laff, but iirc there's folx who live 100% in emacs. ( trinque iirc ) ☟︎
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 09:56:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
mircea_popescu: NOTICE HOW ONE IS OUT OF TIME, TOO!
asciilifeform once worked through a collection of icelandic tales, by third ch was approx as edible as current engl
asciilifeform: more so than e.g fr/sp
asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's luna mezzu mare, the saltarelle they play for weddings
asciilifeform will try an' work through mircea_popescu's sicilian proverbs
asciilifeform: i'ma stfu and give mircea_popescu the needed air atm
mircea_popescu is firmly committed to getting to it all though