asciilifeform: until we actually get limited mempool, shoot fragging in the head, etc. pogo will be a bit slow

asciilifeform: not even ssh

asciilifeform: but overall i like the idea of a dc box with bitcoind and LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE

asciilifeform: for mixing into daily life - normal package suffices

asciilifeform: that'd be more for dedicated nodes, aha

asciilifeform: 'install favourite os'

asciilifeform: y'know how some hoster folks let you drop an iso in when you get the thing

asciilifeform: e.g. a kernel that boots right into, this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: static bin

asciilifeform: 'the most delicious fish is the sausage.' --my grandfather

asciilifeform: yeah some anon schmuck

asciilifeform: see ml post.

asciilifeform: (no patches necessary to the bitcoind proper beyond what was published previously)

asciilifeform: and would sorta like other folks to read the damn thing

asciilifeform: (-connect from motherlode)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, was gonna do this after certain tests. such as the one that is presently failing

asciilifeform: drop deps in 'distfiles', run stator.sh.

asciilifeform: doesn't take high tech magic

asciilifeform: pull down the tarball from ml, try

asciilifeform: did.

asciilifeform: but the thing is running on my box now.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: partial win, it's still built on (static) glibc

asciilifeform: (supposing we weren't using -connect)

asciilifeform: dropping the connection would get bitcoind rotating to next node

asciilifeform: if it's man-made, it's actually pretty classy

asciilifeform: was just thinking this!

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: and not merely leecher, but pisser

asciilifeform: wouldn't be the first

asciilifeform: damned if i know

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja see http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but if you can write your own asynchronous everything, you can finally get the coveted msdos port...

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is able to take new connections while doing said loop

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes but has accept()

asciilifeform: and i die of old age 3-5 times

asciilifeform: at this rate, the thing will sync some time after the eeproms in my computer lose 9/10th of their bits

asciilifeform: followed by silence...

asciilifeform sees another very short burst from mircea_popescu's node

asciilifeform: but if you ask me, this falls squarely under 'do this after it fucking ~works~' as described by mircea_popescu earlier.

asciilifeform: i was reluctant to throw gccisms in there, but if we go and start building on mircea_popescu's soviet pdp11 we can always roll equivalent macros for that

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fprintf(stderr, "info: %s:%d: ", __FILE__, __LINE__);

asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Common-Predefined-Macros.html#Common-Predefined-Macros << and here

asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html << possibly here

asciilifeform: (can't recall off top of head what, precisely. rtfm...)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's gcc-specific stuff that folds the line and # into the print

asciilifeform: everything else is window dressing

asciilifeform: gpl is really primarily about gcc and linuxkernel

asciilifeform: has been, for some years now.

asciilifeform: it is already seeping through the cracks.

asciilifeform: that will come flooding in as soon as he's out of action

asciilifeform: keeping out whole universes full of filth

asciilifeform: rms doesn't do war. not for many years, anyway. he does 'lonely fort'

asciilifeform: etc

asciilifeform: on something which in turn is buildable ?

asciilifeform: won't ask for it to be buildable ?

asciilifeform: as soon as he's out, 'reasonable' people will crawl in and 'make compromises'

asciilifeform: in the sense of keeping the 'reasonable' folks at bay? doubtful

asciilifeform: in the sense in which it is now alive? sure

asciilifeform: it exists, was built, to help him die.

asciilifeform: rms is spot-on here

asciilifeform: i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc.

asciilifeform: but this had a cost, yes.

asciilifeform: the one thing the fucking parasites couldn't effectively plagiarize without leaving trace

asciilifeform: gcc is the original lonely fort keeping the whole gpl thing alive

asciilifeform: why he did it

asciilifeform: this is annoying but i understand 100%

asciilifeform: decimation: rms did not want it to break apart into readily-plagiarizable pieces.

asciilifeform: .... and another short burst from mircea_popescu's node

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816009 << see old thread. ☝︎

asciilifeform: decimation: not quite

asciilifeform: decimation: optional

asciilifeform: rms ~deliberately~ nudges it, whenever he can, in the direction of being as opaque as possible

asciilifeform: quite the contrary.

asciilifeform: gcc, as one might imagine, does not go out of its way to help this be a readily practical thing

asciilifeform: had to put it down, too many other things going on

asciilifeform: even wrote buncha ida script idiocy

asciilifeform: tried to come up with a mechanical mapping back from bin to what produced each section in the elf

asciilifeform actually began there

asciilifeform: none of it is really severable from any of it

asciilifeform: it's 'the spittoon'

asciilifeform: or that anyone would wish to try.

asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat ☟︎

asciilifeform: and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork' ☟︎

asciilifeform: and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete

asciilifeform: decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies

asciilifeform: as if this thing didn't suck enough balls

asciilifeform: decimation: what do they do? queue requests ?

asciilifeform: (and what, someone wants to connect, you drop ~everything~ ?)

asciilifeform: go build p2p net with 1-at-a-time

asciilifeform: screw that

asciilifeform: with polling ?

asciilifeform: gonna service 1 node at a time ?

asciilifeform: wat

asciilifeform: tcp without threads?

asciilifeform: decimation: ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt

asciilifeform: some pretty serious strange

asciilifeform: woah