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a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 22:00 ben_vulpes: well gosh now that you point that out i have to admit that i do not actually know.
mircea_popescu: !!key Top8
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-05-14 21:17:35: <danielpbarron> aaand i have done it. i have a laptop that powers on and without any other touching will end up at the eulora login screen. then when you quit, it drops down to gdb where you can run it again or quit. if you quit, the machine shuts down
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other ranch, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-14.log.html#t21:17:35
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 05:12 asciilifeform: if it works on arbitrary addrs, seems like it'd be wuite asy to test
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655564 << easy to test when complete, easy to show that it does not work, not easy to test in the sense of "i have changed implementation details, and would like to see how the system behaves now" ☝︎
ben_vulpes: one wrinkle that occurred to me as i tested this patch against a not-completely synced node this afternoon is that satoshi's early transactions were all of the "pay to pubkey" variety, and not today's standard "pay to pubkey hash" breed. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i have a patch in abeyance that fixes the test target. i'll bring that out of the refrigerator and start wiring this new IsMine implementation into it.
trinque: no need to rush on my account, plenty of strange acts of serial cable mangling and other perversions on my end yet ☟︎
trinque: sure, so does wallet, not going to ship something that's half-baked
ben_vulpes: absolutely, but you can use the previous method today, and this thing promises to take a while.
trinque: deposits shall be a human process in either case; I'll just have more to do manually until this thing's done
trinque: yes, but aren't you here working on a better implementation of that?
ben_vulpes: parse, looking for spends to any address of interest.
ben_vulpes: tail the debug log for processblock: accepted, and then dump the height mentioned in that line
trinque: now I recall. so yes, I could roll forward using those
ben_vulpes: no, he wrote a c proggy that cuts blkindex files
ben_vulpes: trinque: you can do this today with the slicer i published a while back
trinque: I'm on deck to help however as well.
trinque still haxing on the deedbot invoicer anyway, but at some point will greatly appreciate a way to track address balances without having privkeys around
ben_vulpes: mod6: it is certain to take more than a week
mod6: i can help you try to debug/correct the attempt during the week for sure.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to step away from testing the indexer /in toto/, and plug this IsMine overload into the test target
trinque: will test ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: aye aye, ty mod6.
mod6: aside from that, i have no further comments at this time, i've neither read it closly, compiled, nor tested this vpatch.
ben_vulpes: lolyes, also worth pointing out that the patch is indented at 2 spaces when the rest of trb is indented at 4
mod6: (style considerations and grinding can be left off until later. as I was saying before, ``first we make it work, then we make it pretty'')
ben_vulpes: yeah i'll buy that
mod6: typically, i like to be explicit over implicit, and that's just one of these little things.
mod6: He asked me to post my concern here just to start a general dialog about this, and I think that's just fine.
ben_vulpes: i'd assumed false, but do not know that for certain.
ben_vulpes: well gosh now that you point that out i have to admit that i do not actually know. ☟︎
mod6: one of the things that, in a 9 second quick review of this that I asked him to consider was in the implementation of "IsMine"; Specifically, "Consider: What do I return from IsMine if I iterate over the entire list and never find a OP_PUBKEYHASH?".
diana_coman: !!key Top8
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 05:03 ben_vulpes: on an eeeentiiiiirely different topic, it took months but i recently got the part of my output indexer that excises spent outputs from the index map to compile, which i believe brings the indexer part of this foray to completion. i invite any who'd like to read and comment to download the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655547 << http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch , so things index properly ☝︎
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FJoZR/?raw=true
asciilifeform: followed the apparently inevitable curve of 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the c-students who ...'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also of interest was the discussion of the slow ~debasement~ of seppuku -- first the introduction of 'kaishaku' or beheader-secondant himself; then later the earlier and earlier finishing stroke, with scarcely any cuts; then the disappearance even of the knife, and replacement with substitutes (fan, pen, etc) for 'token' performance
asciilifeform: megatonnes of liquishit of every description; the 1 good survey of a subject in english - nodice
asciilifeform tries, fails to find any scan of the mega-b00k (it is small - 100pg) on www.
mircea_popescu: something like that
mircea_popescu: i suppose the view has legs.
asciilifeform: seppuku per se was the cherry on that particular cake, and quite integral part of the scheme.
asciilifeform: seppuku-era jp is quite interesting to asciilifeform because it , you could say, took mircea_popescu's 'people-going-their-own-way-is-retarded' knob and ran with it, turned 'to eleven'
asciilifeform: many interesting details re particulars of the procedure also ( not of the physical aspects, these are well known - but of humint prepwork prior to ordering a seppukation - gotta make sure the 'star' of the show doesn't bolt )
asciilifeform: also apparently bakufu (shogunate) government had serious problem with 'my commander died, now i will seppuku', and tried to suppress it ( subordinate belongs serving the old master's son, what a waste ) but repeatedly failed.
mircea_popescu: the problem of course being that competent ruler doesn't need you to cut your head off, and incompetent ruler too thick in the first place.
asciilifeform: e.g., seppuku by a subordinate so as to help his commander prep for own seppuku
mircea_popescu: i confess i can't imagine how the suicide of competeny, loyal underlying could fail to drive competent ruler to redress.
mircea_popescu: the more interesting subset, imo, is the protest suicide.
asciilifeform: seppuku was not about picturesque way to cash in yer chips, but part of a system.
asciilifeform: modern worshippers of, e.g., zeus, sum to ~0
asciilifeform: well yes, like every other attempt to revive wholly dead cultures
mircea_popescu: afaik the only modern attempt didn't work out well.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 20:09 asciilifeform: if asciilifeform signs and sends this, he will probably have to design the mips box on toilet paper inside bastille, like de sade
mircea_popescu: this related to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654889 ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: re bushido, asciilifeform just read a marvelous treatise on seppuku, the only one afaik of its kind in english
asciilifeform: ^ another set of folx who were late-comers to mechanical civilization
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu nails it, encyclopaedia is made to be a kind of standards document, for what a cultured man is expected to be aware of
mircea_popescu: note incidentally that even though delayed because slavs retarded, the soviet item served exactly same function -- how to be non-non-soviet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not your option.
mircea_popescu: to be noted that l'encyclopedie (the 1700s item) was a LITERARY WORK. with d'alembert almost a sort of tolkien of his time. it mattered not so much whether the items contained were right or wrong (obviously most were wrong, 1700s) but the fact that you could rely on every respectable gent knowing at least of them.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 17:23 mircea_popescu: no skin off my back. so i'll be the last person alive to know anything, and every girl i ever meet who's not a retard feels an irrepressible urge to kneel and beg.
asciilifeform: hence asciilifeform's barf re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655928 . asciilifeform does not want to live among zulu. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yet plenty of comme il faut gents were not thinking men. as per babbage etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to being a thinking man ; to not being a savage. it's fundamentally negative. know this so you don't end up in the tribe.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the underscore of it all was "these are the things zulus do not know : machine gun, etc. know these so you do not grow up into a zulu."
asciilifeform: general-purpose intro to being a thinking man
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from 'which savages there exist for you to enslave when you grow up', encyclopaedia had, e.g., which engines exist, what burns in them, how newton tried to make piston work on gunpowder, etc,etc
mircea_popescu: the tmsr log serves a very similar function to diderot's offering, in practice.
mircea_popescu: ~exactly identical item to the female photographer/solider war/training exercise heroine.
mircea_popescu: that the socialist substitute does not work is evident to the proponents, but their interest is of course not in it working. on the contrary.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform had a 1958 'britannica', made in usa, that he fished out of a dumpster as a boy. it was superb, as far as encyclopaedia goes, about on par with famous большая советская энциклопедия . but today it lives packed in a crate. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "these are the inferior people to be repressed, for these reasons" is ~the whole point of the original item
mircea_popescu: imo golden age was 1800s, and their principal utility was to provide ideological allignment for patriarchy.
asciilifeform has often wondered if encyclopaedias, even in the golden age of same (1950s, perhaps) , were useful other than for letting a bright kid know 'approximately what exists' . to adult they served largely same purpose as pediwikia today - 'pulling feeling-knowledgeable cock'
mircea_popescu: o noes, cruel fate, plox no more of this briar patch!
mircea_popescu: no skin off my back. so i'll be the last person alive to know anything, and every girl i ever meet who's not a retard feels an irrepressible urge to kneel and beg. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the moar interesting attribute of pediwikia is its ability to prevent actual encyclopaedias.
mircea_popescu: i could produce more value than what wikipedia's worth by simply boiling the collection of wikipedia "editors" and selling the broth.
mircea_popescu: they however do not appear willing to compare the 500 hours a dozen men put in to produce an encyclopedia with the 5000 hours a dozen million imbeciles put in to compile the steaming pile of shit aka "online encyclopedia".
mircea_popescu: wikipedia loves to compare itself with the various actual encyclopedias it stole most of the material worth reading from, but on a "per line" basis, as if THAT is the fucking point of an encyclopedia, never mind the COMPLETENESS or RELIABILITY parts.
mircea_popescu: today's street urchin is entirely useless -- he's more than happy to spend 30, 50, 150 years if possible siphoning your salary (which he regards as his living wage / god given right) to pay for the britny spears "music" and entirely similar "start-ups", ie, let a lot of you idiots give us your valuable stuff for free maybe we get enough of it to survive our inept whittling it down and still be somehow worth money.
mircea_popescu: average street urchin in 1917 could be hired on the expectation that after 30 years of either being bored stiff or else payingattention at his job he'd finally make a useul worker.
mircea_popescu: but to come back to it : the plague of "handheld devices" did a lot of damage to the marginal socioeconomic utility of a large class of people. they spend all their brainpower correcting quopedoa/wikira/whatever the fuck instead of spending the same undersupplied resorce to keep track of their customers / car direction vector / etcetera.
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah it is possible the azn community is spearheading the reculturation process.
trinque: should put in a floor pressure pad and turnstile
mircea_popescu: trinque funny thing being that a) it is infinitely better food than anything pizza hut / taco bell / mcd / kfc etc have on tap and b) it's not really a full dollar a kg from what i've seen.
shinohai: Lots of oriental restaurants do that around here, pay by weight
mircea_popescu: they taking over the us also ?
trinque: at least the guy didn't open a fucking potatoslurry franchise.
shinohai: implying they actually perform a service.
trinque: aha. last night summarizes as "how dare you elevate yourselves by pissing on this husk of hand-me-down *culture* to claim you have one"
mircea_popescu: i suppose the next logical step is to you know, "who ordered the this???". make the customer keenly aware you couldn't give less of a shit about 'em and then whine about how you work in the "service industry" ie he HAS TO TIP YOU!!111
mircea_popescu: us vaguely heard of this, has inept girly not yet qualified to bus tables in the front office, asking you who you are.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the shit evolves, though. historically, the maitre d'hotel would be this knowledgeable, older male, exactly equivalent of the village godfather for his little village onto itself. so HE'd greet you and take you to your table, KNOWING FULL WELL who you were.
trinque had the benefit of new england lineage, will harm teh oyster gladly