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Framedragger: heh re textual devices, i guess i have to agree. baudrillard... i liked it when i first read simulation/simulacra. yes it was pretty vapous, i mean, beyond the "map != territory but depends how you use words, kid!!", summarised in a paragraph or two... so, sure
fd_ghetto: (sorry, very shoddy irc connection all of the sudden. ping is stable so not sure wtf)
mircea_popescu: the girls stuff their lips with silicon etc, the boys use certain textual devices, whatever.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i would dismiss the whole "public intellectual" v 5.0 as entirely like the tv starlet. they ALSO all sound the same.
mircea_popescu: random $50 an hour ro tv starlet. google images shows you the... well, you know, normal face, they all look the same.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm so you would dismiss say the whole internalism/externalism debate as effectively tv show, then? :D
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:30 mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656333 << who is the latter? :D ☝︎
mircea_popescu: sure, and the tv on occasion has hot chicks that are a pleasure in private. i know. so ?
Framedragger: but yeah. also paragraph notion vaguely relates to "log ranges" concept (which i haven't developed any further, yet.) l1 folx give labels to log line ranges; these 'breaks' can then visibly (not obnoxiously) appear in online logotron.
Framedragger: (from irc backlog) eh, there's ~passable stuff, like chalmers (actually vaguely referenced in logs) etc
mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why ~nobody sane calls some randomly chosen species of the "reality tv show" "modern philosophy".
mircea_popescu: or trilema.
asciilifeform: and human-text with quotes-within-quotes begins to resemble fortran.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this explains why modern analytic philosophy got rid of paragraph notation (cf. kant and, like, everyone else), hmm...
mircea_popescu: depends who's the human speaking.
mircea_popescu: the humanities tradition is that meaningful text (eg law) is quoted by page and paragraph, whereas meaningless text (eg, ehtnological notation) is quoted by page and line.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that lines are quite like 'stick shift' auto. an anachronism, but the supposed automation is not ~quite~ there.
mircea_popescu: well, i see it absorbed in paragraph, but whatever. item, how'd you call the thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: this is to abolish the line-based idiocy of unix diff.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596583 << thread. ☝︎
Framedragger: well that's one way to stay sane!
mircea_popescu: you know, unlike you people, tru drivers of your imaginary tractors / flying veyrons.
asciilifeform: ( anybody recalls asciilifeform's crackpot diff thread ? it was more or less 'p prog in disguise')
mircea_popescu: aok then.
Framedragger: semantic diff would of course be spiffy, there is that.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck can't i add the string 68 with the numeral 7 to get the real 74.99999999 as god intended ? it's ALL STRINGS YES ?
mircea_popescu: it is INCREDIBLY lulzy to catch fire at "string = number" but to tolerate "my program is a strring hurr"
asciilifeform: nor any tools that rely on such.
asciilifeform: and yes in 'proper comp' code would be stored as an ast, and not as ascii linear turd.
asciilifeform: this is EXACTLY the tab-sizes thread with mircea_popescu from year ago.
mircea_popescu: (not for the direct, but for the failure implicit)
asciilifeform: and the vdiff becomes unreadable.
mircea_popescu: that the rest of the crap ~dun work that way... hey. i thought that's mostly why you don't like the rest of the crap in the first place
asciilifeform: if it does, that's a diff-creating operation
mircea_popescu: because yes, your lisp code should be line=paragraph, and your ide should properly expand the parens, and afaik / afaies it DOES.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to while { do stuff ?
mircea_popescu: is the substance of disagreement that you want things to read like
asciilifeform: it is very easy to prescribe that pilot's yoke should be shaped like pair of tits, if you are not and not at any risk of working as pilot.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "this fellow has no idea what the fuck he's saying" ; it's quite another to say "this fellow doesn't know of our hardships!". the former's an argument. the latter...
mircea_popescu: what, it's nonsense because we don't share the same incentives to misrepresent the facts ?
Framedragger has not-great eyesight and prefers traditional 80col, worx great
asciilifeform: i'ma ignore this nonsense coming from a fella who doesn't program.
asciilifeform: tell me where i can buy an ips lcd that gives more than 80 reasonably sized fixedwidthchars when turned to god's proper orientation (vertical) and i'll buy.
mircea_popescu: no. i am simply saying i am a better man than you. and you will either 120 or live with knowing this.
asciilifeform: if yours is 120col and mine is 80, now you are demanding that i horizontalscroll.
mircea_popescu: and if you try to read people with viewport larger than yours, either buy a better system or live with your inferiority.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this we agree. but how big is the viewport ?
mircea_popescu: in my experience line of code that exceeds viewport is in all cases an example of badly written code.
Framedragger: code can't scroll horizontally, breaks too many things. e.g. visual selection of blocks. needs to literally-fit-in-head horizontal-wise
asciilifeform: which is the only sane way to read lisps
asciilifeform: well for one thing, it ain't valid, in , say , c
mircea_popescu: anyway. you're telling me you can't read code broken on space like sane wordwrap does ?
Framedragger: ah, well then yeah, it's pretty luzly :D tis true
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im not proposing it be used, i'm just lulzing at the whole nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but WHY IS IT EVEN IN THERE!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:07 asciilifeform: fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang
mircea_popescu: nano fro instance doesn't break them at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never want them.
Framedragger: so instead of writing code i now need to write a code editor which can break code lines code-semantically? :/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mno. i'm thinking of them as what they are -- the author being mentally slow, and attempting the equivalent of ajax in my fucking text file.
asciilifeform: it is quite considerably easier to s/\n\n/\r\r/ s/\n// s/\r/\n/ --- than to put'em back IN
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 04:44 fromloper: I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652460 ☝︎
asciilifeform: those of us who aren't mircea_popescu and have to clean own piles of shit, or they DON'T GET CLEANED, might disagree.
mircea_popescu: let. the. owner. of. proggy. solve. HIS FUCKING PROBLEMS.
asciilifeform: so that i can print it on dotmatrix printer.
asciilifeform: fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang ☟︎
mircea_popescu: your job is to write your line of code well ; not to "ensure" random person you don't nor can know LOOKS AT IT FROM THE RIGFHT ANGLE
asciilifeform: the number of displaytrons that exist, that can do this, is 0.
mircea_popescu: so ? let the whoever views it do whatever they deem fit.
asciilifeform: there is not even necessarily a correct place to break it.
mircea_popescu: stop being a fucking web designer in your spare time.
mircea_popescu: fu. it's not your fucking problem. your paragraph is a line. how (or whether) that line is broken is the problem of whoever displays it.
asciilifeform: the alternative to mid-word idiotbreaks is 'dwim' attempt
mircea_popescu: then unix crapola has non-flowing text because hey, let's be idiots.
mircea_popescu: no, problem is someone somewhere IS FUCKING IDIOTIC ENOUGH to touch the enter key for any other reason than end of paragraph.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but that makes no difference.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : how to fix idiotic (fixed width paragraph) documents ? s/\n\n/\r\r/ s/\n// s/\r/\n/. thanks god for idiotic newline alternatives.
asciilifeform: ( i'd guess even the furnace stokers at microshit grasp that the entire operation is very little more than a factory for nsa pwnholes )
mircea_popescu: "oh, the soviets got defeated by a buncha chukas, but it is not the peace&defense ministry's fault! it's the supplies&items ministry's fault!"
mircea_popescu: lol, usg.ms duking it out with usg.nsa over the fact that they got publicly raped a little ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, microshit fud agency working overtime, https://archive.is/Hd2S6 >> 'Microsoft has criticized the NSA for their major role in spreading the WannaCry ransomware epidemic which paralyzed hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide. The tech giant urged governments to use and store their cyber warfare tools responsibly.'
mircea_popescu: apparently a bunch of idiots watch too much netflix and don't encounter nearly enough clubs to the mouth to know better than trying to apply in life what they saw in the cartoons.
mircea_popescu: i don't live in that reich.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in this reich, it ain't. bank can unplug whoever. and charge $maxint, say, if it wants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's actually a public utility. has absolutely no right over the usage of its monopoly, much like electric co can't cut your power.
asciilifeform: not as if 'free world' 'bank' were a private org. rather than a crown organ where plebe is to put his meager savings for ease of requisitioning.
mircea_popescu also refused to get himself "good fiscal behaviour" certificate when rotards came up with "requiring" such nonsense. they nearly fell over.
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck is bank allowed to judge, what is this, soviets ?
Framedragger had to supply a coupla raised invoices in UK for bank to say "mk this bzns looks like serious bzns". felt dodgy (i can raise invoice to ur mom)
asciilifeform: ( what it did , is to prop up 10,001 previously unknown scamolade service where you get 'shared office' )
asciilifeform: they do require a postal addr that isn't a box, lulzily
asciilifeform: tru!! they do not
mircea_popescu: ards DONT actuallty require that themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out this lulz : in order to open a bank account, ALL banks of costa rica require the company present them with a PROJECTED CASH FLOW! supposedly because there's some law so requiring them, which i dun much credit, but i do intend to find a lawyer and ask their local constitutional court. in any case, all this supposedly because "since 9/11 the ustards forced them to", which is obviously lulzy since the ust
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/x3RZM >> 'The Allianz Deutscher Demokraten (ADD), a political party in Germany founded by Turkish-Germans, has faced another obstacle after their bank account was shut down for the fourth time for no reason.'
mircea_popescu: "yea, please, more gilding, and use thicker leaf, maybe i manage to sink in earth like a raft adrift the oceans."
mircea_popescu: "here's this process makes the leaf impervious and weightless, sir. or would you prefer we gild the covers instead ?"