asciilifeform briefly flipped through the 'rwasa' published code, certain of finding that it links openssl, but - it told the truth; did not do so; has own rsa. can't say much else
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall hearing that they were finally abolishing 'flash' there
asciilifeform: in precisely the same way as mircea_popescu 'is toxic' to the derpunity
asciilifeform: in the latter cases, respectively, it is an expected thing.
asciilifeform: at any rate, there is a lesson: the difference between ending up like this in cl and in, e.g., python, is sorta like the difference between being covered in own shit in civilian life, vs. inside an oubliette
asciilifeform is aware of folks who hire for 'we don't care what you write it in', but shudders at the thought of 'cl work' - it could only result from an astonishingly gnarly pre-existing codebase
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ?
asciilifeform: folks like to talk about 'printed' this and that, but the actual hard data on the ground are considerably more optimistic for classical problems like 'lead to gold', 'elixir of immortality', and 'energy too cheap to meter' than for desktop chip-fab.
asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: could - theoretically - be seen again, one day
asciilifeform: when king takes the gold, it is still there, somewhere
asciilifeform: through sheer force of centralization.
asciilifeform: as it is, the industry is ~intrinsically~ usgtronic
asciilifeform: the coveted 'garden of eden' situation where ~there isn't a microshit~, when there is not a usg department-of-computing that has its tentacles in every orifice - won't be coming back until some quasi-mythical breakthrough decentralizes chip fabbing
asciilifeform: just as was the case after the fall of ibm.☟︎
asciilifeform: one of the hyenas fighting over the corpse (google et al), plus the still-living organs of the corpse, will become the new microshit.
asciilifeform: y as a marketing gimmick, of course you don't want to warrant, support, or maintain it, and of course nobody would even dream of paying royalties for it, they can just get another cheap pen or T-shirt or shirnk-wrapped software package of the shelf somewhere else.'
asciilifeform: onsequences of bad (working to destroy) and sometimes evil (intended to destroy) policy and ignorant idiots with too much power. One of the consequences is that software development is paid for over the marketing budgets, like cheap plastic pens with logo imprints that work no longer than you remember where you got it and T-shirts of so low quality that they couldn't have been sold as clothes -- when you give some trinket awa
asciilifeform: inability of societies to value software properly, and hence the "protection" the software industry got in the Y2K scare, the ability to skirt warranty and every other consumer protection law, the non-constitutionality of the War on Software Piracy (which is much worse than the absolutely insane War on Drugs measured in results and costs and accepted loss of personal freedom), and numerous additional deep-rooted and pandemic c
asciilifeform: ly those in the government offices in charge of squeezing the juice of out the produce of society. I think the software crisis has been created by the tax laws and government officials who were unable to understand the value of the computer industry products. Since the Western business world is operating very closely in a trigger-response pattern relative to changes to the tax laws, the regulators are fully to blame for the
asciilifeform: 'Personally, I think the whole business model of the software industry is rotten to the core. Microsoft is not even a contributory cause -- Bill Gates isn't smart enough to invent or create something like this. It used to be the norm that software was essentially free (gratis) and just vehicles to move hardware, which was tangible enough to make it easy for the anal-retentive beancounters to count and weigh and such, especial
asciilifeform: decimation: the naggum archive is probably the closest thing there is to a '#b-a log of common lisp'
asciilifeform: (if you fall into this category, you have already done this, you don't need to wait for some schmuck to tell you to)
asciilifeform: if you fall into this category, buy one of each, try.
asciilifeform: folks who bring in very tangible money from cl-related work, and want/need a serious support relationship, might benefit from franz or lispworks
asciilifeform: so on some exotic machines, it may be your only option.
asciilifeform: but is slow because of the very cross-platformy way in which it was written
asciilifeform: clisp is a mostly-standardcompliant implementation of the language - but very slow
