asciilifeform: and it dun strike me as somehow outlandish that in cn they've played the tape 3-4 times, while in europistan 1-2.☟︎
asciilifeform: the courageous conqueror's sons are lazy fucks, piss away empire, new conquerors come an' GC it, and while(1).
asciilifeform: the notion that civilizations live , age, die, dun strike me as at all outrageous. possibly the only solidly known fact about'em , in fact.
asciilifeform: i'm suspecting an ~absence~ of a distinction, rather than a distinction. i.e. they eat an' shit just like in europistan, and they also complexity-collapse.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'just like us' is not an implied hypothesis ( if to take cn at face value, they pissed on the electric fence 3, 4 times, europistan , 1-2 )
asciilifeform: and dug up goodies have habit of blowing holes in same
asciilifeform: there was a thread coupla yrs ago where discussed how in modern cn archaeologists are kept ~out~ of anywhere with potentially buried readable goodies, on acct of modern pekin specifically trying for sov-style 'coherent history' crapola
asciilifeform: it can't be handwaved. but funnily enuff, i credit the surviving frags largely on acct of their ~incoherence~ . a good fudge job produces ~coherent~ crapola.
asciilifeform prolly the last one to ask, can't answer q for ~this~ yr much less 1919
asciilifeform: difficult to conclusively adjudicate the claim w/out time machine, they had this habit of rm -rf / erry time they cycled
asciilifeform: eh the cn folx went through what, 3? 4? cycles of warlords/unification/goldenage/sclerosis/pantsuit/collapse before euros got to'em
asciilifeform: so not as simple as 'king issues' ( i'm aware that church-besotted europistan tried heroically to maintain the fiction, but was quite porous )
asciilifeform: incidentally as i recall mircea_popescu dunlike elaborate fictions, and kingship is precisely that ( who was 'king' in 1920s china ? can answer this q in o(1) ? )
asciilifeform: king issues you fief tho, not chix ( yer expected to grow these )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be moar red army ( stalin issues you a mount ) than euro-knight ( dun even qualify unless you bring yer own ) neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand on how 'corner' is 'hidden', rather than cut
asciilifeform: '20s-'50s sovok. then they figured out how to bake synth progesterone etc.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know where. cuz errywhere i've been, when you want e.g. iron staircase built, what comes is a gang of 20 d00dz with welding torches, and not robot.
asciilifeform: the variant mircea_popescu painted, where 'feed 99%+ of males to pigs at birth, and the rest program robots and fuck harem' requires automation that i suspect aint happenin'.
asciilifeform: the variant where 'buncha d00dz get 1000 calories/diem and cut trees with extra 200 cal as bonus for top 10%' was tried, ended up short of +ev ( berzin -- was shot, recall )
asciilifeform not domain expert in running gulag, but sees it as obv that in past , some carrot/stick algos were competitive, in fyootoor -- other, diff ones win
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only suppose that this type of org algo stuck around in europistan cuz ultimately was cheaper way to run the agri-gulag than the alt variants
asciilifeform: aint even clear to me that there ~was~ an 'amateur hour'. only thing there was , was some unusually baroque buluceala re who gets to 'precious few'
asciilifeform: ( dun keep some folx from tryin'... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no moar than arithmetic.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891513 << was dead letter already in early '80s, when it was Officially proclaimed that all sortsa places where usaschwitz inmates spend good % of their time ( car, train, street, pub, etc ) are 'exempt'☝︎
asciilifeform: out what is the cipher, and then break it. It takes time, even if it is a variant of ROT-13. What would happen is leveling of the playing field, engaging brains against brains, on the scale that cryptanalysis cannot keep up with.'
asciilifeform: '... Should everyone design their own ciphers, millions of companies and individuals designing their own terribly weak ciphers, new one every year? There is no automated way to cryptanalyse even naively weak ciphers (and many would make not so naive ones.) Tens of thousands of cryptanalysts cannot begin to chip away even at the weak security of millions of new custom and unpublished ciphers every year. First they would have to figure
asciilifeform: he power equation mandating uniformity of the protective gear, and is permeating both academia and the industry...'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, even in heathendom : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wv5Om/?raw=true >> '...the ideology of cryptography preaches the exact opposite: never do custom cryptography, always use the standard one, approved by the experts who know better than you... ...At this point, tens of thousands of cryptanalysts had ten years to compromise four algorithms, designed by less than dozen experts. The official mantra to use these four is part of t
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you think about it, it's actually quite logical that floorspace in all places asciilifeform can easily get to , costs approx. same.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: even supposing i had a teleporter -- dun seem like BingoBoingostan is in fact the mythical mecca of cheap floor space envisioned to exist somewhere
asciilifeform: assumption is 'terrorists want to move objects FROM orcistan TO reich'
asciilifeform: it's funny, actually, the queue to come ~out~ of usa is 10 minutes long, and they 'search' for pocket knives and other ceremonials. queue to come ~in~ is 3hrs and they search arse, with dogs.
