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mircea_popescu: moreover,
the strong argument is ex nihilo nihil. n ^ 0 is validly something, but 0 processed in any way can't properly make anything besides itself.
danielpbarron: it is not controversial
to say
that 1^0 equals 1.
that is one
times itself zero
times
mircea_popescu: well... by
the same argument raising
to
the 0th power is no raising
to any powers ?
danielpbarron: zero
times itself zero
times, as in...
there is nothing at all
to multiply
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:41 asciilifeform:
there is, however, a logical (if you will) component .
there's a school of
thought among lizards - normally
ted
turner is
the name
that comes up, but only because he afaik was
the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent --
that it'd be nice, from lizard pov,
to physically exterminate
the (actual) free world
danielpbarron: but
that's a weaker argument
to make since
there are zero
terms
mircea_popescu: yes, but could equally well argue it should equal 0 on
the basis
that 0*x = 0.
danielpbarron: apparently Euler argued
that 0^0 should equal 1 on
the basis
that n^0 equals 1. also, my
ti-89 says 0^0 = 1
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:23 phf: when i said mutations, i meant
the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well
the seeds store, and if
they don't,
then
there's not much of a point
to
the whole
thing.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it was when i went
to hs, but i figured
they've progressed past
that
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:12 phf: i
think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting
to observe natural mutations
that might
take place from now
till
the vault is consulted
danielpbarron: 0
to
the 0 is indeterminate, as in it could equal anything depending on what
the limit functions are
that get
to 0
mircea_popescu: good
thing
they included femvoices in
the public sphere.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:08 phf: you'd
think, in an engineering project, rather
then a political one, an incident like
that is a welcome opportunity
to go back
to drawing board and attempt
to address
the deficiencies of current design
mircea_popescu: anyway : some people say it's not for
the people
to shoot
theresa may. i disagree.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 16:23 mircea_popescu: btw, you know
the famous case of buridan's ass yes ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is
the compiler adding bloat
that you didn't expect?
mircea_popescu: ics are
these
things
that go into
the fridge so you can play mario while figuring out what
to
take out of it.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, NOBODY
to date, and outside of us, nobody at all ever conceived of using digital computers for cryptography. period and full stop.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 18:23 asciilifeform:
think accident??
phf: lol good luck with
that
phf: well, i
think mythological devices are not inherently bad as long as
they have some aesthetic value
to it. problems is most of
these projects are mythology for progressive bureaucrats, so
they are fully stripped of aesthetics and only have implied didactic value. sort of like a church with an angry god, but no awesome
transcendent
phf: when i said mutations, i meant
the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well
the seeds store, and if
they don't,
then
there's not much of a point
to
the whole
thing.
☟︎ phf: there's no aha, we're
talking about inert seeds. mutations happen as part of selection process in reproduction cycle
ben_vulpes: i was laboring under
the delusion
that it /was/ a long now project!
phf: i
think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting
to observe natural mutations
that might
take place from now
till
the vault is consulted
☟︎ phf: you'd
think, in an engineering project, rather
then a political one, an incident like
that is a welcome opportunity
to go back
to drawing board and attempt
to address
the deficiencies of current design
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform:
the observation
that
these make monsantos cum, absolutely.
trinque: all flavors of cowardice begging mother
to remove all possible failures, death mostest.
ben_vulpes: no buddy, you are now in
the business of maintaining computronium/gardens.
ben_vulpes: "seed vaults" are like people who "just want
titanium bitcoin keys"
trinque: moral obligation
to shoot anyone who begins "seeding atmosphere with reflective whatevers" or meddling impulse of
the day
phf: “failsafe“ even
the article puts it in quotes
trinque: christ,
the "lets be proactive about global warming"
thing
takes
the cake.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 18:57 asciilifeform:
there is no money, in modern usg reich, in SOLVING a problem
ben_vulpes: well pay 10x up front for a
thing
that works, or 1x for a
thing
that appears
to work so long as we don't move
too far from initial conditions.
ben_vulpes: omfg
the willful ignorance and self-deception.
ben_vulpes: and
then it flooded because you didn't actually call
the actuaries and ask how likely
the permafrost was
to melt in
the next millino years
☟︎ ben_vulpes: > No seeds were lost but
the ability of
the rock vault
to provide failsafe protection against all disasters is now
threatened by climate change
mod6: i.e. is
the compiler adding bloat
that you didn't expect?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: do
the disassembled module parts look how you'd expect
them
to look?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: and if mp organises a conference
there's going
to be a conference and if he does not
there's not going
to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up
the fucking wall.