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mircea_popescu: eh, we're not trying to requalify him into a salesman over here.
gabriel_laddel_p: On the basis that FG won't rest on some portion of the state space when you train your model
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 22:52 asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made.
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661195 < have you tried selling FG to data science / machine learning types? IE the only group of young people with disposable income. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could just put a huge rock on it, but then the horse'll die.
asciilifeform: i thought mass was enough..
mircea_popescu: plowing tractors have special hydraulics to keep it in. lot of force, more than the pull. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cuz then the blade just goes out ?
mircea_popescu: which is the fundamental point of poverty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ox. let them pull the plow.
mircea_popescu: THAT is what qualifies, not the butthurt bullshit of wanna-be princeses upset some other dorks they cant' distinguish themselves from got a cooler car.
asciilifeform: and whence the ox.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, get back to me when any of them actually work a field, by hand, to make 100 dollars in 6 months of oxen labour.
asciilifeform: they also have living capital, in india etc : people who, e.g., still know how to make cloth, and can live N to a room without killing self or each other
mircea_popescu: india, ghetto. the us ? heh.
mircea_popescu: with the women making clothes by hand out of stolen scraps, and all the complexities of soups etc.
mircea_popescu: get back to me when you find a household making it on 30 dollars a month.
asciilifeform: that meat ain't meat, it's whatever they scrape from the floor at meat plant, + corn starch
mircea_popescu: sure. heck, there's even supermarkets they can borrow it from.
mircea_popescu: for one thing -- can actually buy meat. CAN. could.
mircea_popescu: lafond is hallucinating, those people live in luxury.\
mircea_popescu: that may be ; but there exists no ghetto in all of the us today that can compare to eg ghencea, or whatever other "urban development".
asciilifeform: i'll point out that su built massive economic base , on the plunder of which the 'civilized' west ~ to this day ~ runs
mircea_popescu: hm. maybe it's one of those things where it doesn't denote, it connotes. anyway, first one is a fine indication of subsistence living in question.
asciilifeform: i dun see anything peculiar in the pics..
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/ << 1st image there. ro "hip hop" band (ro terminology), ie gangsta rap. they ACTUALLY have the creds tho, comiong from the actual hood.
mircea_popescu: subsistence living has a peculiar meaning in romania of the 80s.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, leverage isn't this magical thing from the sky.
mircea_popescu: mp was born in a country where 20 dollars was a monthly salary. leverage is not so simple as all that.
mircea_popescu: the correct approach to "live rent free" is to work it as a business. the rest is poppycock.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that. consider this : my living arrangements, were they to be separated as an independent profit center, were in the green pretty much every year for the past 20.
asciilifeform: i'd happily move to a planet with no pdiddy.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: obligatory link to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: just make sure they deliver more than what they take.
mircea_popescu: this is actually not true.
asciilifeform: to give less of it to rentseekers.
asciilifeform: fact is that it is the most effective way to 'get moar money'
mircea_popescu: it's better to have more money than to pay less rent.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason ~everyone applies that method. the reason being 10 overbids 9 whereas 8 does not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why not jump very high, and go to mars, aha
asciilifeform: ( and in fact i considered lafondlandia, even, and did go there, and haggle with realtors, chitchat with the criminally insane locals, etc. and concluded that it was just short of +ev )
mircea_popescu: why not increase income ? it's the traditional approach. ☟︎
asciilifeform: fwiw i'd like to solve what i see as the solvable problem, of minimizing living expense without having to live among scum
mircea_popescu: aite then.
asciilifeform: if i were to pay 10x less rent, would have more than 10x the unwanted hyoomancontact.
mircea_popescu: mmm. i dunno. i mean in the sense condoms are three bux or w/e, break the "Student"'s budget
asciilifeform: make optional. the way having children is.
mircea_popescu: you want to technologize talking to people out of the equation of living ?
asciilifeform: and it wasn't, somehow, any longer a thing to which 'you simply gotta get used to '.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i fully confess i am simply too lazy to grow cash crops on mars, prefer to just you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660854 ☝︎
asciilifeform: at one point folx were used to typhus and everything, incl. houses of great lords ( see last night's plumbing b00k link ) stinking of shit. then came the tech to stop.
mircea_popescu: actually, introversion per se is one thing. much like jumping on one foot is one thing. when you actually miss a leg it's a different story, and should regrow it!
mircea_popescu: why not you know, get used to talking to mario $rando instead ? way the fuck easier than growing linen on the open ocean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't even consider introversion as anything other than insanity, does he.
mircea_popescu: "i don't want to die, i just want to go into a bottle."
mircea_popescu: if you have the laundry.
asciilifeform: yes, them
mircea_popescu: what other people ? the other people who will grow your fucking food and do your laundry ?
asciilifeform: phf: if not open-ocean capable, it's rubbish, because fails at the elementary task of putting distance b/w operator and otherpeople
mircea_popescu: wtf is this!
mircea_popescu: wait. he had an oceangoing vessel on "kalash budget" he bought off the shelf ?
asciilifeform: phf: the old boat, he sold, it was an off-the-shelf item
phf: last time orlol's sail boat came up i linked some detailed plans by digital nomads for living houseboats. those were decidedly not built on kalash budget (mostly funded by alphabet companies, because choke full of electronics)
mircea_popescu: she beleeted the internets ?!
asciilifeform: phf: he had, then, like idiot, got a wife
mircea_popescu: and i fully expect that as he drowns you'll find some other equivalent nonsense to fully expect will work.
phf: reading orlol i thought he already had a sailable device? why aren't there plans&details for what he already allegedly has
asciilifeform: i fully expect that he'll sail in it
mircea_popescu vaguely regrets he's not harun al rashid, sends sipahi over orlol's place, give him a year to make the damned thing and force him to sail in it.
phf: kalash money though
asciilifeform: disingenuous to compare
asciilifeform: umm phf these dun look like oceanic vessels
mircea_popescu: "livable" you know. the colonization of polynesia is living proof that man can live on a plank.
phf: item that sails for kalash money exists, miss rockaway armada likes to build those
mircea_popescu: it was, then you just raise it six months later as if it hasn't.
asciilifeform: this could very well be true, but imho oughta be approached as ~technical~ question
mircea_popescu: the problem is that fg can be bought, and escher's drawings can not be bought. orlol is of the latter type.
asciilifeform: same idea. orlol's, or gentoo, or almost all of asciilifeform's equipment, is of this type
mircea_popescu: so maybe something more in that vein would satisfy.
mircea_popescu: and they also don't pay rent.
mircea_popescu: well, no, seeing how $ also product of mass industry. but yes, slavegirls make me all soreta things for free
asciilifeform: if he puts in the time.
asciilifeform: artisan, on otherhand, can make 2 $ shoes that will outlast mircea_popescu's 2$k
mircea_popescu: hey, i got a pair of two dollar shoes to sell you also.
asciilifeform: item that sails ~for kalash budget~ is not well catered to. afaik.
mircea_popescu: the problem domain of "item that sails" is wel lcatered to. the problem domain of "doods feel like they're not personally interesting enough", never will.
mircea_popescu: you will never EVER be able to beat for price the discounted products of an industrial process through artisanal craftsmanship.
asciilifeform: cheap + as close to 0 recurring cost as possible.
mircea_popescu: you will have to decide what your problem is. do you want cheap ? do you want made in kitchen ? do you want "looks like my wife's cunt" ? what, specifically, do you want ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:27 mircea_popescu: oh, yeah, and the whole "rent free" nonsense bit a huge girder once i pointed out to you what the proper solution for this boating bs is ; then it turned out the whole thing was more of an exercise in inverting naggum's matrices "to see if it could be done" than anything specific.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661221 << old iron-bottomed ( built to be disposable ) diesels are no solution to anything but scrap business . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:22 mircea_popescu: i need some roto'n culo to "invent" the houseboat for me like i need some indigent farmer to invent a new religion on the basis of "reading" tablets fallen from the sky.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661219 << d00d never claimed to invent anything -- just publishes design, like FG is published, wat ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: the specifics of rent racket are different, but same principles apply to escaping modern rent racket in any kind of real sense, beyond "don't you hate paying rent??? what if i told you you don't have to pay rent ever again!1" snake oil
asciilifeform: those aristos died of stupidity-- thinking that they were exempt from having to learn about money, similarly to modern brahmins 'exemption' from crypto ☟︎
mircea_popescu: inexplicable, you know (never said maximillian) how i owe money to merchants for armies to defend/acquire the very fucking towns in which these merchants live. how is it that max owes fugger rather than fugger owing max ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:32 mircea_popescu: not like it wasn't fucking obvious, hence the whole "student" vagabond class, already well entranched by the time of villon.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661225 << has approx same to do with modern rent racket, as with mars ☝︎
phf: we're so far away from that division, that it's hard to reason about it, but on reflection it makes sense