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a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 15:19 mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
gabriel_laddel_p: and also to demonstrate that "oh no, FG can't be sold" is in the same bucket as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381606 ☝︎
asciilifeform: anyway gabriel_laddel_p go to nosuchlabs.com , you will find rng bitz
gabriel_laddel_p: mod6: the payment is to drive up the value of your shares
gabriel_laddel_p: also hard drive died last night, so have to auth via a systemrescuecd + usb which sorta sucks
asciilifeform: phf that thing was a work of genius
a111: to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
ben_vulpes: only tool i need in this life i keep between my legs
a111: and i didn't even need to bring any tools!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, in the dinner date conversation ideas, "who'd win a fight between the greatest douchecanoe and the worst shitlord ???"
ben_vulpes: "ah see you'd have to be a cis het shitlord for it to make sense."
mircea_popescu: how the fuck their thinkers work i have no idea, but probably something with symmetrical scintillations.
mircea_popescu: right right, because it's irreproducible AND THEREFORTE VALUABLE.
mircea_popescu: ah right, i forgot about that.
mircea_popescu: not just the facts anymore ?
ben_vulpes: because you have no god, you athiest, and cannot think for yourself, you american
ben_vulpes: you know, the church of progress where you pray, self-flagellate, to eudaly and hardesty et al for wisdom and guidance
ben_vulpes: it's progress you see, they weren't going far enough before
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didja see the list of hated business i posted a few days ago?
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in ben_vulpesistan, it neversleeps!, https://archive.is/DYc5c >> 'The owner of a burrito food cart in Portland has been driven out of business by social justice warriors who accused the two white women who run the business of "cultural appropriation."'
mircea_popescu: mkay, i'm guessing that's enough for a day.
asciilifeform: it won't work, mircea_popescu , the squid ink
mircea_popescu: "here's something else than what i was talking about doing something else than what i was talking about, therefore."
asciilifeform: http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/Beta-Packard.jpg << the type i had
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to do it again. this is a cosmo kramer idea.
asciilifeform: but yes, you would want to do it with beta decay.
asciilifeform: or visit spy shop and get the laser microfone, same idea.
asciilifeform: works on this principle, does not need mega-clock.
asciilifeform: aite, if mircea_popescu insists, it can be made to work with gamma. and yes, clock is sufficiently repeatable. visit gun shop, get laser distance meter.
asciilifeform: fughet the gamma.
asciilifeform: with 2 opposite photomultiplier tubes
mircea_popescu: you will... know because you measure the distance, and because no masking epiphenomena may exist ? really ? because your clocks work so well that they can be used against photons themselves, and calipers ditto ?
asciilifeform: and i actually had this device, and used every day, at one time
mircea_popescu: this is almost better than the nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
asciilifeform: now i keep waiting for mircea_popescu to say 'you would use beta decay, fool'
asciilifeform: you know because they're X/c apart
asciilifeform: ( where famously tie-two-jews-together-to-use-1bullet )
asciilifeform: gamma photon can set off 2 detectors, one after the other
mircea_popescu: except that if is nonsense.
asciilifeform: 'Facebook is the third of what is probably a quartet (or quintet) of the destruction of the innocence of computing. First was viruses, second was malware, third is facebook. I suspect fourth will be related to control of networking itself, and fifth will be licensing of high level computer ability. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.' << mega-lulzy, ty Framedragger
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 22:16 asciilifeform: previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661136 is probably as close as anybody could hope to get, to it ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: the reproducible ~t~rng is a contradiction in terms.
asciilifeform: ( and then you're stuck with a prng, with the attendant consequences )
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik no solution is known , aside from the familiar 'prng and seed published at the end of the day/week/whichever'
asciilifeform: jurov: the problem posed is quite reminiscent of ye olde 'provably fair casino' thread of '14
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's just "in principle", aka "only happens to niggers, couldn't happen here, we're pravoslavniks!"
mircea_popescu: took a tree*
mircea_popescu: i think they took a up down the street
mircea_popescu: whoa, some lightning strikes the likes of which...
Framedragger: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/ecb-warns-of-dangers-of-ripple-effect-from-house-price-boom 2008 called! "Exuberant house price developments in certain regions could, in principle, threaten the stability of financial institutions with mortgage exposures concentrated in those regions"
asciilifeform: and suspect that it cannot exist.
Framedragger: (but that's not even luby codes, right)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: on second thought, i didn't have an idea in mind. i just thought "huh, how to have continuous/streaming verification of data, i.e. not have to send data in signed *chunks* (if want to have verified/signed data)"
asciilifeform: what would that do, Framedragger ?
Framedragger: i guess no way to use luby code or equivalent on tcp huh
asciilifeform: you could buffer it and sign parcels prior to transmission
asciilifeform: in tcp
jurov: um...signing that would be problematic, then
asciilifeform: jurov: not a bad idea. and maybe you'll even discover some zeroblockpadding bug, a la the dd thing
jurov: idea: what about providing fuckgoat output in realtime, as tcp stream. maybe i'll do when i get some
Framedragger: "still better than urandom"
trinque: I like to live dangerously
trinque: imma just xor all your posts together for the rest of my life.
Framedragger: oooh nice. /me yet to generate 1gb+ of entropy, will post when that's done
asciilifeform: honest rng maker has 0 to be afraid of from posting arbitrarily large sample.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 17:42 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
asciilifeform: this is not intended to rain on mod6 et al's parade, but rather in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662086 . ☝︎
jurov: i had and experiment too, in 3 months went up to 420k blocks, but found out the cheapo ssd failed
BingoBoingo: In other news negrodamus finished sync experiment a few days ago for a roughly 6 month sync time in the wild with spinning rust. Is at present mostly keeping up (i.e. 3 blocks behind atm)
Framedragger: aha i guess that's the main uh political bottleneck
asciilifeform: $closedturdapplication is required to sync...
asciilifeform: Framedragger: didja read the quoted text ?
asciilifeform: jurov: if you get the thing rooted plz lemme know
asciilifeform: in all fairness, sony is infamous for this, i had their original prs500
asciilifeform: even 'amazon' does not stoop this low.
asciilifeform: jurov, why didja link this, it's a turd.
asciilifeform: 'Digital Paper Application is required for synchronization and document transfer between Digital Paper and PC. USB connection required to install the Digital Paper application on your PC.' << srsly?!
asciilifeform: (supposing the comp were gentooable, rather than 'chromebook' etc liquishit)
asciilifeform: now if this were a comp, WITH A KEYBOARD, that ran for month+ on 1 battery charge -- then yes, it'd have a point
asciilifeform: i already have lcd toys with that res tho
trinque: only use I'd have for such a thing
asciilifeform: esp if it has the usual snail refresh
asciilifeform: 1650 x 2200 is nothing to write home about, tho
NoMyName: Ok, I know what a lemma is, I have had the occasional quandry, I don't know what the three premises are?
NoMyName: otay, that was not a bot answer...
NoMyName: I have seen your name everywhere in the blogs of record. Bingo! Boingo! Are you a person, or a bot?
BingoBoingo: Ah, sad to hear.
NoMyName: My daddy is dead, but he was a very fine doctor, and taught me the value of knowing things.
asciilifeform: if anyone gets hold of one & tries -- plz post.
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, http://shop.voipdistri.com/Embedded-board-und-Mini-PC-System-bundle/Embedded-Boards-633/Deciso-Netboard-A10-Embedded-Motherboard---BIG-performer--low-power--AMD-next-generation-G-Serie-SOC-Chipset.html << possible 3rd board that worx with sage.
mircea_popescu: which is why "open source" is fundamentally useless. the poor idiots trying to hallucinate the poor idiot world where they can't be cut down for being poor idiots.
asciilifeform: like all other blades, this one worx best when sharp.
asciilifeform: there was this one time, however, when great persian царь-государь xerxes, negrated the sea...
mircea_popescu: the principle is solid : the fact that someone from stanford published a shitty piece means THE WHOLE USG is now negrated, if there's not a lower node to negrate.
mircea_popescu: old царь-государь press law was plain : author, responsible ; if can't be found, editor ; if can't be fouind , owenr ; if can't be found - typograpgher.
mircea_popescu: "the whole thing, mp" "yeah well, that happened three seconds in."
mircea_popescu: anyway. the overarching point is that risk per se is not the problem. unmanageable risk, of the sort that arises in poorly defined situations, is the problem. which is why open source is fundamentally useless, be it in the fdorm of ubuntu, or wikipedia. who do i negrate ?
lobbes: (+mircea_popescu) mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place. << yeah, no issue here. I'd be honored to have genuine entropy traded via bot
mircea_popescu: "water -- literally falls from the sky, and he BUYS it." afghan would have a lulz.