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mircea_popescu: i don't think this subject of your nostalgia ever existed outside the vhs world. it's like muller.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> d00d was in no sense in control tho << Most bureaucrats aren't
mircea_popescu: or i guess you don't count that one ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't think of a competent anyone in the whole us army/navy/airforce brass.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738408 << at the risk of repeating ancient thread, imho if there were a ready alternative ( as in geographic , rather than merely ideological ) to usa, for the remaining ~functional people to defect to -- usa wouldn't last a week ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in spite of an inability to speak in public, or to make sense, extemporaneously or not, ceausescu was a major player in the status quo of 70s and 80s. that whole "don't mix into the affairs of others", very strong nationalism, managed to paralyze the us-owned and hosted un for two decafdes.
asciilifeform: it isn't an invincibility pill
mircea_popescu: moreover -- doubtful pill. didn't help soviets ; didn't help romanians.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 22:59 asciilifeform: this is the fate of all 'we don't have an ideology' derps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it doesn't do anything. works like a painting works.
mircea_popescu: nytimes also didn't "picture itself in competition with the weird net kids". and so following, chuck e cheese dude's "ipad restaurant" didn't see itself in competition with phones. "it's a restaurant". no it's not.
phf: mircea_popescu: i was taking a poetic liberty there. it's the new appearance of a self serving strategy where there wasn't necessarily one (or the strategy changes drastically). the core of activity shifts elsewhere, but the original points of contact are maintained for the sole purpose of taking any new ideas that might've been introduced.
asciilifeform: he wasn't the director of lispm group or anything of the kind
phf: well, folx in question plundered as much as they could from mit and carefully guarded whatever they themselves produce. i don't know about there not being "logical reason to publish"
asciilifeform: ( can't even say i have any outrage over this, there was no logical reason to publish )
mircea_popescu: "oh, couldn't be done on hardware of back then". tell you what, fucking your wife also couldn't be done on your hardware of back when junior high.
mircea_popescu: since we're doing this, here's a fundamental point i don't understand.
mircea_popescu: i know a bunch of imbeciles who should speak a lot more hesitatingly than this guy. such as for instance ~everyone not-white. somehow, they don't, going all the way to like obama daring to even open his mouth in public.
asciilifeform: iirc d00d doesn't exactly speak the king's englisch
mircea_popescu: it's the fundamental orcism, this. expressed pluriously by the orcs now inhabiting the once-proud colonies. "you couldn't know as you haven't experienced". really, bitch ? what the fuck DO YOU THINK KNOWLEDGE EVEN IS!
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i ain't got a proper lispm, and neither does anybody else
asciilifeform: 'hey cool, he DIDN'T have fridge-of-bud')
mircea_popescu: had no idea of eg the man's letters, as they weren't in the 3rd grade manual. or of anything else.
asciilifeform: or possibly he wasn't prepared to piss on his pushkin ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
asciilifeform: i did note this, you don't escape by gluing upper bits to equal 1
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737571 << if k MSBs of N are 1s, then k MSBs of p and q both are 1s, ie it only leaks sometimes. the leak itself is small, but since slightly biased RNG wouldn't be acceptable, then why this is? ☝︎
apeloyee: I didn't claim prime constructer, just an improved method to generate candidates for miller-rabin
asciilifeform: i don't want ~an~ n-bit prime, i want THE n-bit prime corresponding to arbitrary n-bit input I.
asciilifeform: that doesn't auto-map a n-bit integer to an n-bit prime.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, rats don't reproduce by eggs" "And why do you have to thank for that ?"
mircea_popescu: there are some primitives you don't wanrt to keep around,
mircea_popescu: but a signature signed by a pubexp i didn't have PRIOR to the receiving of the signature is definitionally worthless.
apeloyee: I don't see how you can extend to this case
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737542 << that's just DoS. but, if you have computational capacity, you check the padding. may also require that it's signed with my key, with the pubexp attached if you don't know it. Thus, the modulus is in principle sufficient to _initiate_ the converstaion ☝︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level) ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 16:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I asked him for the "how do we get a corporation fast" answer. His answer is off the shelf. This isn't the first time I've heard "bank reference" being bandied aboutwith respect to opening a corporate account.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737789 <<< needed the same when opening a bank account in .mu, reference letter didn't need any particular judgement about whether i'd be able to meet a financial committment, but just something along the lines of "had bizns with this gentleman for X years, didn't leave with unpaid debts, isn't a fucking gypsy" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yes i select my whores. but once i selected what may be promises, i humiliate her, i don't fucking kill her.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hung with ~nobody. didn't even fuck around, married a 25yo whore 9-year whore, stuck to her 50 years.
mircea_popescu: ideally, it's a "hey, check out how your stupidity #1 contradicts your stupidity #2, what do you have to say for your stupidity that isn't throwing a hissy fit ?"
mircea_popescu: yes, but those "don't count"
mircea_popescu: it's true, he doesn't. NEITHER DO YOU. without that latter part...
mircea_popescu: so the notion endured, "oh, mp doesn't understand maffs".
mircea_popescu: and to most mediocre people, gave this impression of utter idiocy, because regularily contradicted their "reasonable expectations". except didn't have the mp refinement of making it painful for them later.
mircea_popescu: except he didn't comprehend there's a homework to do.
mircea_popescu: dood also had serious emotivity probloems -- extremely shy, etcetera. epicycle is perhaps that encounter with the czechoslovak "labour people" when they ask him a (simple, let's be friends) question (context is that he's the hero, against soviet invasion, etc) and he totally can't answer.
mircea_popescu: so then, elder brother saying "half of it made no sense" very != archeologist saying "i don't understand how half of this shit even worked"
mircea_popescu: but, no, ceausescu didn't get overthrown because "the people". who the fuck seriously thinks "the people" even matter, jesus.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I asked him for the "how do we get a corporation fast" answer. His answer is off the shelf. This isn't the first time I've heard "bank reference" being bandied aboutwith respect to opening a corporate account. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in that vein, once one starts one doesn't end until california reconstructed.
mircea_popescu: "the people have had enough with not being able to buy consumer goods ; and if they were able to buy consumer goods they'd have wanted to "form oppinions" in the manner of ustards, and in the vein of "school exams too hard ; work too long hours ; idealised self not actualised by regime ; let other people take our industry, we'll do service "industry" ; want to live today on money we might make tomorrow IF and only if we don't
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the people true and squarely had enough. this is the fundamental problem with being saddled with a people in the first place -- what they want isn't ever what';s needed.
asciilifeform: re the shoemaker, asciilifeform still can't fully shake the traditional ru version , where man was plugged for paying off his national debt, rather than 'the beoble Finally Had Enuff!' usgolade nonsense.
asciilifeform: ( in his place i wouldn't )
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise asciilifeform to learn that d00d lives not far .
mircea_popescu: of course they do! the saving grace is that you don't speak orc, to see the pretense.
mircea_popescu: also, polynomial time isn't THAT great. depends a little on the polynomial involved :D
asciilifeform: so sheer weight of 1s can't be much use
a111: Logged on 2014-05-10 20:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's right, this is the channel of the minority of people into bitcoin that aren't also pedos.
mircea_popescu: oh i thought that couldn't happen!
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 21:00 mircea_popescu: the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.
asciilifeform: supposing i had where to keep one, and weren't gearing up for escape
mircea_popescu: poor people can't picture how richdom goes!
asciilifeform: i can't picture it appreciating to the point where i can spare 30k worth of it
mircea_popescu: which evidently can't buy any flotillas.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:46 diana_coman: that being said, I can't quite see it being any *worse* than this affair with fixed size AND fixed top bits
mircea_popescu: afaik "shadow brokers" didn't release this principal rsa exploitation tool of "teh equation group", but : imagine you have a machine a) working on your own special-purpose made prng ; and b) generating rsa keys all the time and on call.
mircea_popescu: (on proper rng. on bs prng / kochgpg etc, they don't.)
asciilifeform doesn't expect to see a pill against this, other than he already obvious engineering margin of using respectable number of bits of entropy for whole thing
asciilifeform: understand, setting the top bit won't help you, i can just as easily say 'but what if the middle 2000 bits in my prime end up zeros!'
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for starters I don't know what is "large enough" aka "not fatally small" p or q
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737525 << this is therightthing. but note that not only is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737533 not a problem, but the behaviour is fundamental to ffa. in ada a structure is considered nondynamic if its size doesn't change at run time. not if 'magic number' size, like in overflowlang. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737481 << lol. don't forget to come out for air, trilema is larger than what can be braved in one go. you'll break yourself. ☝︎
asciilifeform: imho ^ is The Right Thing, at least for folx who aren't generating keys in a burning hurry
diana_coman: that being said, I can't quite see it being any *worse* than this affair with fixed size AND fixed top bits ☟︎
diana_coman: apeloyee, my first thought went that way but then on one hand this just makes the interval larger basically and on the other hand I have no idea how to even evaluate the compromise (i.e. how large interval is large enough anyway, leaving aside that the how big is big enough for p and q is not that terribly clear either -at least not to me); in other words I can see it as an improvement but I can't actually evaluate it clearly
apeloyee: can't see how to plug it completely though
hubud: doesn't like my key
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> (asciilifeform's ticker idea) << nah, autospeaking bots to be kept at a minimum which is 0. << for the curious, why is say deedbot's rss announcer a non-auto event whereas a market movement isn't?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 20:35 diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because see, if you don't use nextprime you lack the "nop bridge" so to speak. rolling number 6 does not take you to 7. to get 7 you need a natural 7, and this is equiprobable to rolling a natural 2^74207281-1 on the space of (0,2^74207281-1).
asciilifeform: at any rate i haven't any argument against http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737376 ☝︎
asciilifeform: you don't actually get a 10x10=0100 because carry bits ripple up
mircea_popescu: 111 doesn't add anything, 111 x 111 = 110001 ie 6
mircea_popescu: THAT someone isn't admitting to idiocy, preferring isntead to derp about how "Ceo is supposed to know all".
diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this? ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: i'm using "memory management" meaning of cons, not like lisp 101 take on it. they don't have cons meaning that there's no managed heap, there's no gc on that heap, and you can't allocate things into the heap and let it be managed by heap machinery. so they have "cons", but their ~actual~ cons is ada's "new ..."
phf: right, i suspect that scheme.adb doesn't touch on it, because, again, no cons
asciilifeform: ( there's no particular reason why you can't have a schemetron use strictly arrays and integer indices into same )
phf: well, right. i'm not sure what ada.strings is (i.e. is it a protocol or concrete datatype), so i can't really comment further
asciilifeform: also you don't want to cons. at. all.
mod6: sorry if this is obvious, wasn't to me.
asciilifeform: mod6: noshit koch doesn't do this
diana_coman: p and q are different so there won't be exactly this limit case there, but obv same 4095 bits n instead of 4096 for other low-enough odd numbers that might be primes
asciilifeform: just because thing can 'move faster than you can see' dun mean that it stops on a dime, or that it won't oscillate ( ever see rifle barrel on high speed camera? ) , ring like a bell, destroy whatever illusion of accuracy.
mircea_popescu: what if the fucker isn't in formation tho
asciilifeform: ( can't well fight with the plastic toy stock )
mats: also don't train to fight with bayonet anymore either