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mod6: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N4G424fA
Adlai: ben_vulpes: i'm not seeing it in the mailing list yet, and i have to leave. hope this cuts it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCFcsbrW ☟︎
punkman: adlai, echangekey should work I think, what error does it give you?
Adlai: how do i add a gpg identity to my gribble account? i'm already registered with a bitcoin address, and gribble responds to eregister and echangekey with "Error: Username already registered. Try a different username."
punkman: I can't get a decent gingerbeer around here, been considering brewing my own
punkman: my favourite australian beverage: http://www.kellysdistributors.net.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_231.jpg
cazalla: this might be the first day since qntra started that i did not post.. nothing of interest today
cazalla: that is what i refer to
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2014 22:35:52; mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ? <<< same guy who claimed his friends/family called him satoshi's drunk uncle
Adlai: for all i know, my current parameters could be totally overfit to the quirks of two btcfiat marketplaces, or worse, the whole algorithm could be overfit to bitcoin's crazyness and may be totally worthless elsewhere
kakobreklaa: see i knew it
Adlai: to assuage that look of terminal shock in your eyes: there's no real rush, i have an endless list of other turds to polish
kakobreklaa: i have a 0mq that will eat pgp
kakobreklaa: lucky i update the page once every 6 months or so you can look at internet archive for freshest news
zanza: cool :) I think it is a great idea
zanza: none of them allow you to keep BTC balance I believe
zanza: but the main Forex companies are so regulated by government I don't want to deal with them
mircea_popescu: it's rare that noobs manage to ask questions i actually want to hear the answer to.
zanza: I was reading Bitcointalk, people are looking for Forex to do with Bitcoin, but the main issue is trust
kakobrekla: everything i do is btc denomiated
zanza: I assume you use your own money to do the forex
zanza: ok, so do you balance the bitcoin storage somehow like I forget the word
zanza: Kakobrekla, may I ask, does running the Bit4x site have a lot of risk for you? i mean if prices change
mircea_popescu: http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ?
zanza: bit4x good site? i am looking to do forex in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "i read some shit from last year's trilema and here's my inept respinning of it!"
mircea_popescu: "In my last post, I posited a fictional world, Crypton, where no governments1 back up contracts with the threat of force2."
mircea_popescu: "I lost a shit load in investments. I dont have anymore BTC left."
ben_vulpes: i'll link in the AM.
chalbersma: When I get a chance to do some hacking I'll be sure to.
PeterL: I wonder if I should be caching a copy of documents so that it does not have to do the conversion for everybody clicking the link you just posted?
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. i see
RagnarDanneskjol: oohh - I believe i missed it.. reading nao
RagnarDanneskjol: not a tax - those are fees - paying for a service - one can opt out. point taken on moral vs legal imperative.. its the imperative part i'm still struggling with
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, it's politically useful. while i can appreciate the philosophical argument of "epsilon is still fundamentally different from 0", it doesn't carry as much practical importance as all that. for one thing, everyone feels entitled to tax you .1%, including any bank moving your money, and so on and so forth. heck, the miners are taxing about 0.1%
mircea_popescu: manwhile, if they subscribe to this, they don't have to : "i won't pay you any tax, not for any other reason than that ~i already paid~".
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think so. maybe
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well... you familiar with the expression "i gave at the office" ?
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu i suppose the notion of taxation in any form makes my brain burn -whether it be through force, state declaration or moral requirement. I am all in favor of the foundation and will likely contribute more than .01% of my earnings to it, but pressing a moral obligation or establishing a rule/precedent for 'taxation' for anyone participating in btc commerce just doesn't make
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. << pretty much how this works yes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. << nah, not related.
chalbersma: I assume they're hosting the code somewhere?
decimation: yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think
decimation: I had to add a few headers
asciilifeform: decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet.
decimation: asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot
asciilifeform: i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now
asciilifeform: but i'm not an 'official' anything.
asciilifeform: i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it
RagnarDanneskjol: i see
RagnarDanneskjol: got it. tithe I can live with. tax not so much
asciilifeform: but unless i am mistaken, mircea_popescu is proceeding from an understanding that a quality reference implementation will require paid experts.
RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first ☟︎
RagnarDanneskjol: i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose
asciilifeform: as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader.
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh ok, I'll take it up with the boss then - thought it originated w/ pete. thanks
RagnarDanneskjol: i didnt say they did. just passing an opinion
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, i don't think anyone said you had to sign it
RagnarDanneskjol: i like the declaration but fuck the tax bs for gots sake man. I refuse to sign it! not cool pete
decimation: heh. I wonder if he used this as a defense of his anti-dividend policy
punkman: mircea_popescu: I guess referenced deed id is included along with detached sig
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd sign your raw deed, then send detached sig to bot
Adlai: indeed, i'd like to deal with at most one turd at a time
assbot: So I went to open a checking account today...How these banks have stayed in business this long is beyond reason. : Bitcoin
Adlai: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/239wv9/so_i_went_to_open_a_checking_account_todayhow/
mircea_popescu: but i mean ... they just reused the https crapolade.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the passport comes as a temp freenode:#bitcoin-otc:blabla string
punkman: I'm guessing nubbins` will be printing the first batch of La Serenissima passports ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don;'t think the wired story has anything to do with anything. for one thing... they EXPIRE ?!?!?!
punkman: well even if I keep 450 copies, would be nice to detect it and present a special page with the document and a list of signatures
Adlai: what exactly did i miss?
assbot: Logged on 08-11-2014 08:25:40; cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before?
kakobrekla: incloudibly ? i think they are the ones that down allow irc bots
kakobrekla: i did not claim appeal
asciilifeform: i don't remember what other people wanted, but i would like a hosting vendor who is in wot.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: sure, it is something I was planning to do soon
mircea_popescu: i think pankkake published the code he was using somewhere
mircea_popescu: i would think take out the "bundle made" thing entirely
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll make it grab, say the first 100 chars on the first line and use that for titles.
chetty: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5FR9QRDA
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette <<< looks like BingoBoingo did so while i was sleeping
mircea_popescu: i don't think quantcast counts ddos
mircea_popescu: bounce explain it to me like i were five!
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard> for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) << i dunno how that is supposed to stand. if they're not making a profit then their users are deriving all the benefit.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> bit of a bummer, I'd say. << whyssat ?
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model << bitcoin corps, basically.
bounce: bit of a bummer, I'd say.
bounce: you know, first time I see this thing is it getting signed.
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: okay so indulge me, because i know nothing about the pros and cons of taxation: what are the benefits of taxing revenues?
ben_vulpes: i don't think that dating these things is necessary. they embed in the blockchain, after all.
thestringpuller: I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model
ben_vulpes: i recall doing this before...
ben_vulpes: perhaps some bezzletrons will satisfy? http://twicsy.com/i/r84UNf
ben_vulpes: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4GSHjhrw
asciilifeform: gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.)
asciilifeform: where do i 'hancock'
jurov: i think he got devoiced due to nick changes
mircea_popescu: jurov: and next time read teh rules << uh what'd i miss ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? << heh. and they mention it, too, because they're cultured and stuff. o.O