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asciilifeform: trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch.
asciilifeform: phf: mircea_popescu has a marked tendency to go with lenin's 'intelligentsia is not the nation's head but its arsehole'
asciilifeform: reason being http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255331 ☝︎
asciilifeform: and as i gather, most of the folks involved on anything but the ultra-successful 'lottery winner' end of it, want out.
asciilifeform: it isn't especially interesting to talk about, imho
asciilifeform: that's sorta what people do now
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143414 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143413 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: !s pay for sunlight
asciilifeform: to the conversation
asciilifeform: and wouldn't know anything useful to add
asciilifeform: if there is, ~i~ certainly am not blessed with the gift of crapping it out
asciilifeform: trinque: but we have yet to establish that there is or could be such a thing as software that is genuinely worth paying for
asciilifeform: trinque: aha
asciilifeform: it'd be like those crackpot bums who stand on street corners and beg folks to take their self-published 'book'
asciilifeform: i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?! ☟︎
asciilifeform: parity ?!!
asciilifeform: but what's that get me ?
asciilifeform: perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for..
asciilifeform: evidently.
asciilifeform: not for anything interesting, at any rate
asciilifeform: but nobody's paying me.
asciilifeform: ~i~ don't have time to sit and issue 'licenses' to 10,000,000 schmucks
asciilifeform: it only makes sense if folks are paying.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is asking for mountains of 'mother may i' spamola
asciilifeform: but it would be an interesting ceremonial flag, in the spirit of mircea_popescu's license thing.
asciilifeform: (on a sane planet, you won't need lawsuits to enforce this. no reasonable person will run code that doesn't have a wot signature)
asciilifeform: would be interesting to see.
asciilifeform: if anyone here has the muscles to turn this concoction into a formula which might threaten to work in traditional courts, in some major country - go right ahead.
asciilifeform: 'this program may be redistributed provided that 1) this notice and 2) the original copy of $program, with my pgp signature thereof - are included; and any changes you made to $program must be represented in the form of a vdiff patch signed with a pgp key registered in the Web of Trust.'
asciilifeform: i recently thought of an equally-ceremonial 'software license'. would go roughly like this,
asciilifeform: 'no you may not use this code, except if you piss on law'
asciilifeform: btw, speaking of software licenses, anyone recall mircea_popescu's anarchist license ?
asciilifeform: how come nobody asks how well 1958 state of the art would handle on unix ? the batch proggies, on punched cardboard ?
asciilifeform: and talking about how nifty it would be to get 1978 state of the art.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i also can't help but laugh a bit at the phrase 'modern nixy proggies' - we're sorta stuck in 1968 state of the art...
asciilifeform: lispm was only possible because 'consumers have come to expect' was not fully a thing yet.
asciilifeform: it is like asking to not only have campfire, but mammoth hunt, in the kitchen.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik no one was ever dumb enough to demand this.
asciilifeform: yes, if you provisioned for this, poured concrete floor - you can.
asciilifeform: using c on lispm did not win you anything in any other case. it is rather like starting a campfire on the floor of your kitchen
asciilifeform: it was more of a thing one might want to do if really need to use a page from 'numerical recipes in c' verbatim in a hurry, etc.
asciilifeform: afaik there were not many cases of c proggies being used in practice on lispm
asciilifeform: and bounds
asciilifeform: but remained internally aware of intended datatypes
asciilifeform: the trick is that it wasn't c-on-cmachine
asciilifeform: ^ yes, you could, potentially, repair and ~uncrash~ a crashed process
asciilifeform: and use the runtime debuggability and repairability (yes)
asciilifeform: and all could share data structures, even.
asciilifeform: even fortran, ada, pascal
asciilifeform: not only
asciilifeform: like wheels come with a car
asciilifeform: recall, this was still the tail end of the era where software was just this thing that came with hardware
asciilifeform: as he doesn't have the hardware
asciilifeform: ^ not that it would have done a 'freeloader' much good
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'this is the source, no you may not show it to folks who have not bought'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they were ordinary for the time
asciilifeform: there were also experiments in imprisoning them together in specially-designated zones where they would be permitted to rapidly kill off one another.
asciilifeform: (the most notable successes, iirc, were when they hogtied 'blatnoi' leaders and methodically shipped them to distant camps where they would be lowered into pederasty immediately, with all necessary force)
asciilifeform: depending on who you ask - it worked. or didn't.
asciilifeform: trinque: btw it was not clear to the folks who ran the camps, that this naturally-occurring system of hierarchy was a net plus re: net tonnage from the mines. hence the 'vory/suka wars' mircea_popescu referenced, a famous case where su authorities tried to monkey with the 'org chart' ☟︎
asciilifeform: any more than a tumour.
asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that the fella sitting in ru prison barrack who does not a lick of work, other than organizing circle of thugs to squeeze 2x the normative quota from the poor schmucks, serves a purpose
asciilifeform: the queen bee has a biological function.
asciilifeform: if, as mircea_popescu appears to suggest, chingis khan is the 'luxury model' of human, and everybody else is 'man lite version', why does the khan have to enslave engineers ?
asciilifeform: or chingis khan 'stealing' chinese scholars...
asciilifeform: (and today from 'isis', though it is difficult from where i stand to get anything like an honest picture of the latter)
asciilifeform: similar cases were heard of during the chechen wars
asciilifeform: there was an interesting piece in some rag or other, a few weeks ago (?) re: mexican mafia stealing and enslaving white engineers to build their infrastructure
asciilifeform: or thermonuke? or even create so much as a bulldozer ?
asciilifeform: whatever else 'vory' might do, notice how they don't ever appear to build orbital launchers ?
asciilifeform: (orlov is somewhat fixated on them as 'ideal')
asciilifeform: the product of this recipe is afghanistan and the pashtuns
asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, mircea_popescu is with limonov in respecting the anonymous but honorable 'blatnoi' scum over korolev, who created modern rocketry while - yes - a slave
asciilifeform: not even bullet in head (some folks survive!)
asciilifeform: nothing works on everyone. not even aids virus
asciilifeform: the invention of 'шарашка' demonstrates that the chimp trick works great on man.
asciilifeform: afaik
asciilifeform: pan troglodytes doesn't seem to differ much from human schoolboy re: organization
asciilifeform: it is about effects of hunger, among other things. which affects pretty much all mammals similarly, no ?
asciilifeform: but if the experiment is about, say, effects of strontium-90
asciilifeform: how many ~are~ there now.
asciilifeform: 40.0.3 ?!!!
asciilifeform: that is to say, some mechanism whereby 'atlas' may 'shrug' without killing himself necessarily.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and, preferably, something that doesn't make me think of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nonsense ? be so kind as to demonstrate gedankenexperiment ?
asciilifeform: who wouldn't wanna join that.
asciilifeform: phf: navigator's guild in 'dune' !
asciilifeform: phf: the modern-day successor of that is the unspoken gentleman's agreement among programmers to churn out mountains of shit that has to be 'maintained' at tremendous expense forever
asciilifeform: it was a kind of animal demo of why 'atlas' doesn't ever actually 'shrug'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: caveat: do you recall the experiment with the beaten chimpanzee ?
asciilifeform: it was.
asciilifeform: but where? can't recall.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was 'atlas'
asciilifeform: does anyone recall which ?
asciilifeform: this was, in all places, a lengthy monologue in one of ayn rand's yarns
asciilifeform: how else.
asciilifeform: today, the apes are nesting in man's burned-out skyscrapers, approximately.
asciilifeform: or electron microscope.
asciilifeform: just like we do not yet know how to make mass spectrometer cheap